Comments on: The Paul Young Interview http://www.recycleyourfaith.com/2009/09/04/the-paul-young-interview/ travel to new places in your spiritual thought life Tue, 31 Jan 2012 10:42:04 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 By: Benjamin Ady http://www.recycleyourfaith.com/2009/09/04/the-paul-young-interview/comment-page-1/#comment-434 Benjamin Ady Sat, 12 Sep 2009 02:11:00 +0000 http://www.recycleyourfaith.com/?p=900#comment-434 Leila, Thank you for your gracious open reply. I love all those things you are doing in your community. I wish I was more like you in that regard. I tend to talk a lot and not do much. You are on my relatively short list of safe people. You rock =). It sounds to me like you have really large amounts of hope, which it seems to me that Paul Young *also* has. Hoping is not something I'm super good at yet. Leila,

Thank you for your gracious open reply. I love all those things you are doing in your community. I wish I was more like you in that regard. I tend to talk a lot and not do much. You are on my relatively short list of safe people. You rock =). It sounds to me like you have really large amounts of hope, which it seems to me that Paul Young *also* has. Hoping is not something I’m super good at yet.

]]> By: Leilaeaton http://www.recycleyourfaith.com/2009/09/04/the-paul-young-interview/comment-page-1/#comment-433 Leilaeaton Fri, 11 Sep 2009 21:58:09 +0000 http://www.recycleyourfaith.com/?p=900#comment-433 I think what I answered Joe and Benjamin should bring more clarifaction to what I said Yes God is forgiving but we have to choose to go to him. I think what I answered Joe and Benjamin should bring more clarifaction to what I said Yes God is forgiving but we have to choose to go to him.

]]> By: Leilaeaton http://www.recycleyourfaith.com/2009/09/04/the-paul-young-interview/comment-page-1/#comment-432 Leilaeaton Fri, 11 Sep 2009 21:54:49 +0000 http://www.recycleyourfaith.com/?p=900#comment-432 you might want to understand my thought process I learn a diffrent way of healing all the hurt that have been in my life which has been passed down from my fore fathers and really screwed up my family.I beleive that are sin nature is DNA'ed in to us just like genetics. My dad has diabetis his mom,sisters and brothers all have it also.Same My mom was an addict my sister is an addict my children are addicts it passes down. Same with incest,lying stealing. these thing are bread into us they say even a child not raised by his natural parent still will have these tendances even without their parents influence daily in their lives. their adopted family could be perfect but the sin still influences him. As i explain to benjamin it applies to your question also. you might want to understand my thought process I learn a diffrent way of healing all the hurt that have been in my life which has been passed down from my fore fathers and really screwed up my family.I beleive that are sin nature is DNA’ed in to us just like genetics. My dad has diabetis his mom,sisters and brothers all have it also.Same My mom was an addict my sister is an addict my children are addicts it passes down.
Same with incest,lying stealing. these thing are bread into us they say even a child not raised by his natural parent still will have these tendances even without their parents influence daily in their lives. their adopted family could be perfect but the sin still influences him.

As i explain to benjamin it applies to your question also.

]]> By: Leilaeaton http://www.recycleyourfaith.com/2009/09/04/the-paul-young-interview/comment-page-1/#comment-431 Leilaeaton Fri, 11 Sep 2009 21:41:36 +0000 http://www.recycleyourfaith.com/?p=900#comment-431 Sorry I have not addressed you all sooner but I'm taking care my sister who was in a roll over accident. Benjamin to answer how 500 year plan relates to my here and now, good question it through the faith I have been given by God, that helps me in my daily things I do.Such as caring for the elderly widows/widowers, that are unable to leave there home bring a little light into ther lives which encourages me to step alittle closer to people. Which lead me in to glean food that is thrown away if people don't pick it up and use it( its what Ruth did). Which lead me into running a food bank where I meet people who are just in alittle need to get them by which lead in running the Youth shelter ( the kids were what you call couch surfing in home that needed assitance also.) which lead me in to feeding the home less youth in our community which showed me a need for more feeding programs in our area no one was feeding on Friday nights. so we started a community feed on fri night which brings in prositutes addicts and homeless and other that want community.There I get to hug neck and love on these people and show the love I have recieved from the lord. And through a lot generational healing I am able to do this and who lot more. Which show my children a model of what christ would do. Hopefully through this my children will see a different side of religion the not the side that always condemns, but a religion of hope, love and accepts where ever your at not just if you my robot and do what i say. which they grew up in but know the religion of Jesus the true church.then I could have the hope of 500 yrs.of my generational lines having a relationship with Christ not just having religion Sorry I have not addressed you all sooner but I’m taking care my sister who was in a roll over accident.

Benjamin to answer how 500 year plan relates to my here and now, good question it through the faith I have been given by God, that helps me in my daily things I do.Such as caring for the elderly widows/widowers, that are unable to leave there home bring a little light into ther lives which encourages me to step alittle closer to people. Which lead me in to glean food that is thrown away if people don’t pick it up and use it( its what Ruth did). Which lead me into running a food bank where I meet people who are just in alittle need to get them by which lead in running the Youth shelter ( the kids were what you call couch surfing in home that needed assitance also.) which lead me in to feeding the home less youth in our community which showed me a need for more feeding
programs in our area no one was feeding on Friday nights. so we started a community feed on fri night which brings in prositutes addicts and homeless and other that want
community.There I get to hug neck and love on these people and show the love I have recieved from the lord. And through a lot generational healing I am able to do this and who lot more. Which show my children a model of what christ would do. Hopefully through this my children will see a different side of religion the not the side that always condemns, but a religion of hope, love and accepts where ever your at not just if you my robot and do what i say. which they grew up in but know the religion of Jesus the true church.then I could have the hope of 500 yrs.of my generational lines having a relationship with Christ not just having religion

]]> By: Barry Prevett http://www.recycleyourfaith.com/2009/09/04/the-paul-young-interview/comment-page-1/#comment-430 Barry Prevett Fri, 11 Sep 2009 15:39:35 +0000 http://www.recycleyourfaith.com/?p=900#comment-430 That is right Craig! Most Post modern American churches are quick to build programs, mission trips, Bible studies, etc., while not lacking in their purposes, what they do mitigate is encouraging those to have a venue to freely their stories with impunity. It is much more convenient to build such programs than biblical relationship as Apostle did in I Thess 2:1-10. A good read is Hybel's pamplet 'Reveal' why American churches miss the mark on 'Making disciples." As a result of all this, we lack mutual accountability, and our church leaders lack enforcing church discipline. I do not want to sound pejorative, just promoting dialogue. That is right Craig! Most Post modern American churches are quick to build programs, mission trips, Bible studies, etc., while not lacking in their purposes, what they do mitigate is encouraging those to have a venue to freely their stories with impunity. It is much more convenient to build such programs than biblical relationship as Apostle did in I Thess 2:1-10. A good read is Hybel’s pamplet ‘Reveal’ why American churches miss the mark on ‘Making disciples.” As a result of all this, we lack mutual accountability, and our church leaders lack enforcing church discipline. I do not want to sound pejorative, just promoting dialogue.

]]> By: joe http://www.recycleyourfaith.com/2009/09/04/the-paul-young-interview/comment-page-1/#comment-429 joe Thu, 10 Sep 2009 19:29:18 +0000 http://www.recycleyourfaith.com/?p=900#comment-429 Leila, I'm sorry to also ask questions, but I'm not sure I'm understanding. Are you saying that you (and I) are blessed because of what our ancestors did whereas an African living in poverty is condemned because of what his forefathers did? I agree with you that Isaiah 61 is extremely powerful, particularly when Jesus read this in the temple and applied it to himself. But then I'm also scared reading Amos and James 5 because I don't think our wealth has been a blessing from God but something we have accumulated by abusing the poor over many generations. And in that context, I'm not convinced that Isaiah 61 is really a blessing to us. Craig, conversation is difficult to follow when the posts are nestled like this. Is there any way to arrange it differently? Leila, I’m sorry to also ask questions, but I’m not sure I’m understanding. Are you saying that you (and I) are blessed because of what our ancestors did whereas an African living in poverty is condemned because of what his forefathers did?

I agree with you that Isaiah 61 is extremely powerful, particularly when Jesus read this in the temple and applied it to himself. But then I’m also scared reading Amos and James 5 because I don’t think our wealth has been a blessing from God but something we have accumulated by abusing the poor over many generations. And in that context, I’m not convinced that Isaiah 61 is really a blessing to us.

Craig, conversation is difficult to follow when the posts are nestled like this. Is there any way to arrange it differently?

]]> By: Benjamin Ady http://www.recycleyourfaith.com/2009/09/04/the-paul-young-interview/comment-page-1/#comment-428 Benjamin Ady Thu, 10 Sep 2009 18:22:11 +0000 http://www.recycleyourfaith.com/?p=900#comment-428 Leila, When you quote that verse from Isaiah, are you thinking about it in terms of really concrete stuff, like for instance trying to reduce the number of people who are in prison in the U.S., which currently has the highest incarceration rate of any nation in the world? What do good tidings to the poor look like–does it have to do with helping see that the big concerns of the poor are met, such as clean water to drink and enough calories each day, and perhaps a place to sleep out of the rain, or having one friend? Do you know any folks who are abjectly poor, or who are incarcerated? I can’t say I really personally know either of those. Perhaps part of why I say I’m not a Christian is that it seems like Jesus hung out with people like this–people at the bottom of the socio-economic system, whereas I never do, and I don’t really even know a single one. How does this anointing play out for you on Tuesdays, for instance? Leila,
When you quote that verse from Isaiah, are you thinking about it in terms of really concrete stuff, like for instance trying to reduce the number of people who are in prison in the U.S., which currently has the highest incarceration rate of any nation in the world? What do good tidings to the poor look like–does it have to do with helping see that the big concerns of the poor are met, such as clean water to drink and enough calories each day, and perhaps a place to sleep out of the rain, or having one friend?
Do you know any folks who are abjectly poor, or who are incarcerated? I can’t say I really personally know either of those. Perhaps part of why I say I’m not a Christian is that it seems like Jesus hung out with people like this–people at the bottom of the socio-economic system, whereas I never do, and I don’t really even know a single one.
How does this anointing play out for you on Tuesdays, for instance?

]]> By: Benjamin Ady http://www.recycleyourfaith.com/2009/09/04/the-paul-young-interview/comment-page-1/#comment-426 Benjamin Ady Thu, 10 Sep 2009 18:09:36 +0000 http://www.recycleyourfaith.com/?p=900#comment-426 Leila, Thank you for answering my question. I do not have a 500 year plan. I'm pretty sure I would find that extremely exhausting. I get a bit overwhelmed with the 1 day plan a lot of times. Do you find that having a 500 year plan helps you to be more fully present in the here/now? Leila,

Thank you for answering my question. I do not have a 500 year plan. I’m pretty sure I would find that extremely exhausting. I get a bit overwhelmed with the 1 day plan a lot of times.

Do you find that having a 500 year plan helps you to be more fully present in the here/now?

]]> By: Leila Eaton http://www.recycleyourfaith.com/2009/09/04/the-paul-young-interview/comment-page-1/#comment-425 Leila Eaton Thu, 10 Sep 2009 17:10:06 +0000 http://www.recycleyourfaith.com/?p=900#comment-425 Well that to bad that it rubs you the wrong way. I choose to believe what it says Isaiah 61 The Spirit of the Lord God is upon ME, because the Lord has anointed ME to preach good tidings to the poor; He sent ME to heal the brocken hearted. To proclaim liberty to the captives and open the prison to those who are bound: (I feel this applies to all humanity not just poor and this is how I choose to live my life.) I also believe there are thing our generations past have messed up our line with. Yes I feel that we have to remove those things out out of our DNA if you would to change our generational futures. Sorry if this bothers you, but this is how I choose to live my Life. I choose that my hope is that my family will choose this also, but its a choice of faith. Well that to bad that it rubs you the wrong way. I choose to believe what it says Isaiah 61
The Spirit of the Lord God is upon ME, because the Lord has anointed ME to preach good tidings to the poor; He sent ME to heal the brocken hearted. To proclaim liberty to the captives and open the prison to those who are bound: (I feel this applies to all humanity not just poor and this is how I choose to live my life.) I also believe there are thing our generations past have messed up our line with. Yes I feel that we have to remove those things out out of our DNA if you would to change our generational futures. Sorry if this bothers you, but this is how I choose to live my Life. I choose that my hope is that my family will choose this also, but its a choice of faith.

]]> By: Craig http://www.recycleyourfaith.com/2009/09/04/the-paul-young-interview/comment-page-1/#comment-424 Craig Thu, 10 Sep 2009 16:46:39 +0000 http://www.recycleyourfaith.com/?p=900#comment-424 Wow, Leila. I could be misreading your comment, but it sounds like you are essentially saying that it's the poor's own fault (or their ancestors) for all the horrifying things that happen to them? Really? If that's what you are saying, this really rubs me the wrong way. I can't imagine God punishing someone (or letting someone suffer) for something they had had absolutely nothing to do with. Seems pretty unforgiving to me. Wow, Leila. I could be misreading your comment, but it sounds like you are essentially saying that it’s the poor’s own fault (or their ancestors) for all the horrifying things that happen to them? Really? If that’s what you are saying, this really rubs me the wrong way. I can’t imagine God punishing someone (or letting someone suffer) for something they had had absolutely nothing to do with. Seems pretty unforgiving to me.

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