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		<title>By: Kerry</title>
		<link>http://www.recycleyourfaith.com/2009/09/14/christianity%c2%ae/comment-page-1/#comment-685</link>
		<dc:creator>Kerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 23:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Dan, 
I am agnostic, but really enjoy reading this website and learning other&#039;s views from the videos. I also just had a really interesting conversation with a pastor at a wedding last weekend. Of course it is possible for someone who believes something starkly different from Christianity to respect a Christian’s beliefs. However, as someone who believes something different when it comes to respecting another&#039;s beliefs (whoever and whatever the other is) I appreciate the openness of conversation around topics, the dialogue that things like this forum and website give me rather than very conservative &quot;I&#039;m right and you&#039;re wrong&quot; views and dead ends that other Christians give me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dan,<br />
I am agnostic, but really enjoy reading this website and learning other&#8217;s views from the videos. I also just had a really interesting conversation with a pastor at a wedding last weekend. Of course it is possible for someone who believes something starkly different from Christianity to respect a Christian’s beliefs. However, as someone who believes something different when it comes to respecting another&#8217;s beliefs (whoever and whatever the other is) I appreciate the openness of conversation around topics, the dialogue that things like this forum and website give me rather than very conservative &#8220;I&#8217;m right and you&#8217;re wrong&#8221; views and dead ends that other Christians give me.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
		<link>http://www.recycleyourfaith.com/2009/09/14/christianity%c2%ae/comment-page-1/#comment-493</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 14:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good stuff Elaine!  Yes, you can get on Bart&#039;s mailing list.  I actually look forward to reading his updates, they are really great.  You can &lt;a href=&quot;http://thewalnuthillsfellowship.org/?page_id=61&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;sign up here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good stuff Elaine!  Yes, you can get on Bart&#8217;s mailing list.  I actually look forward to reading his updates, they are really great.  You can <a href="http://thewalnuthillsfellowship.org/?page_id=61" rel="nofollow">sign up here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Elaine</title>
		<link>http://www.recycleyourfaith.com/2009/09/14/christianity%c2%ae/comment-page-1/#comment-489</link>
		<dc:creator>Elaine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 21:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow!  Yes, to everything Bart said.  How is it I live in Cincinnati and have never met Bart???  Craig - is there a Bart mailing list?

Do you think it’s possible to have certainty in your beliefs while also being respectful of people who believe differently?

That is the challenge, isn&#039;t it?  Whether it is my belief in Jesus as the Son of God or anything else - I have to ask myself is this belief life giving?  If not, why not? Is this belief putting me in conflict with others?  If so, why?  My belief in God in of itself does not put me in conflict with others - regardless of their brand (or lack thereof).  

If I choose to impose my beliefs on others then I can be in conflict with other people.

(Yes, I realize I&#039;ve made some rather broad brush strokes here.)

For me, I choose to embrace - Love God and love others.  If I&#039;m doing those 2 things, how can I be in conflict with others?  

BTW - for me - respect means, &quot;unconditional high regard&quot; - it is not predicated on another believing the same as me.  When I don&#039;t do that, it is my problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow!  Yes, to everything Bart said.  How is it I live in Cincinnati and have never met Bart???  Craig &#8211; is there a Bart mailing list?</p>
<p>Do you think it’s possible to have certainty in your beliefs while also being respectful of people who believe differently?</p>
<p>That is the challenge, isn&#8217;t it?  Whether it is my belief in Jesus as the Son of God or anything else &#8211; I have to ask myself is this belief life giving?  If not, why not? Is this belief putting me in conflict with others?  If so, why?  My belief in God in of itself does not put me in conflict with others &#8211; regardless of their brand (or lack thereof).  </p>
<p>If I choose to impose my beliefs on others then I can be in conflict with other people.</p>
<p>(Yes, I realize I&#8217;ve made some rather broad brush strokes here.)</p>
<p>For me, I choose to embrace &#8211; Love God and love others.  If I&#8217;m doing those 2 things, how can I be in conflict with others?  </p>
<p>BTW &#8211; for me &#8211; respect means, &#8220;unconditional high regard&#8221; &#8211; it is not predicated on another believing the same as me.  When I don&#8217;t do that, it is my problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin Ady</title>
		<link>http://www.recycleyourfaith.com/2009/09/14/christianity%c2%ae/comment-page-1/#comment-477</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin Ady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 20:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan,

  I think it&#039;s fairly safe to say that yes, there are some amazingly self-aware, wise, gentle, gracious Muslims and Jews and ... really people of any faith, as well as atheists, agnostics, and Pastafarians, who are willing to continue to choose to work within their faith system while being also willing to respect and dialogue about others&#039; faiths. In fact some of my favorite people are people who have helped me become more willing to do this myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan,</p>
<p>  I think it&#8217;s fairly safe to say that yes, there are some amazingly self-aware, wise, gentle, gracious Muslims and Jews and &#8230; really people of any faith, as well as atheists, agnostics, and Pastafarians, who are willing to continue to choose to work within their faith system while being also willing to respect and dialogue about others&#8217; faiths. In fact some of my favorite people are people who have helped me become more willing to do this myself.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://www.recycleyourfaith.com/2009/09/14/christianity%c2%ae/comment-page-1/#comment-473</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 14:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do think its possible.  I wonder, though, if this question is being looked at from the non-Christian perspective.  What I mean is, is it possible for someone who believes something starkly different from Christianity to respect a Christian&#039;s beliefs?  Sounds like an unimportant question in light of the many Christians who berate others with their beliefs, but I have met people who think Christianity is equivalent to sheer stupidity.  I think it is this style of arrogance that hurts others, from both directions.  Can&#039;t we have confidence in something without being a jerk about it or acting like we have it all together?  I really like Bart&#039;s position, and that he seems so comfortable with it.  I believe it ought to be this way.  That if we do believe something, we are offended to talk about other possibilities even while we may completely disagree with them.  I go back to Justin&#039;s comment on the blind men and the elephant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do think its possible.  I wonder, though, if this question is being looked at from the non-Christian perspective.  What I mean is, is it possible for someone who believes something starkly different from Christianity to respect a Christian&#8217;s beliefs?  Sounds like an unimportant question in light of the many Christians who berate others with their beliefs, but I have met people who think Christianity is equivalent to sheer stupidity.  I think it is this style of arrogance that hurts others, from both directions.  Can&#8217;t we have confidence in something without being a jerk about it or acting like we have it all together?  I really like Bart&#8217;s position, and that he seems so comfortable with it.  I believe it ought to be this way.  That if we do believe something, we are offended to talk about other possibilities even while we may completely disagree with them.  I go back to Justin&#8217;s comment on the blind men and the elephant.</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin Ady</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benjamin Ady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 01:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Julie,

  Wow, sounds like your sister and her husband have an amazing story =).  A couple years ago I met this beautiful lady named Ann Redding who had been led by God to practice both Christianity and Islam at once.  She was an amazingly gracious, self aware outgoing person, and it was really a privilege to converse with her for a while.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julie,</p>
<p>  Wow, sounds like your sister and her husband have an amazing story =).  A couple years ago I met this beautiful lady named Ann Redding who had been led by God to practice both Christianity and Islam at once.  She was an amazingly gracious, self aware outgoing person, and it was really a privilege to converse with her for a while.</p>
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		<title>By: Julie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 09:35:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Craig,
My conservative family and friends have expressed their concerns for my spiritual well-being because I choose to &quot;explore&quot; what&#039;s out there.  For me I know I am solid in my relationship with Jesus and it doesn&#039;t feel weird for me. I don&#039;t want to hunker down in my Christian community and not be aware of the rest of the world.  

Benjamin,
In thinking further about my friend she grew up in a Southern Baptist Church and may have transferred what she knew about Christianity from that perspective on to me. I like your expression of this concept about being a club member.  I have often wondered how it works for my youngest sister.  Her husband is Indonesian and he is a devout Muslim.  She is a Christian and follows her faith.  They have been married for seven years and love each other deeply.  They are both respectful of each other&#039;s choices.  I wonder though if they ever have kids if that will change things in how the kids are raised.  For now, it seems to be working.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig,<br />
My conservative family and friends have expressed their concerns for my spiritual well-being because I choose to &#8220;explore&#8221; what&#8217;s out there.  For me I know I am solid in my relationship with Jesus and it doesn&#8217;t feel weird for me. I don&#8217;t want to hunker down in my Christian community and not be aware of the rest of the world.  </p>
<p>Benjamin,<br />
In thinking further about my friend she grew up in a Southern Baptist Church and may have transferred what she knew about Christianity from that perspective on to me. I like your expression of this concept about being a club member.  I have often wondered how it works for my youngest sister.  Her husband is Indonesian and he is a devout Muslim.  She is a Christian and follows her faith.  They have been married for seven years and love each other deeply.  They are both respectful of each other&#8217;s choices.  I wonder though if they ever have kids if that will change things in how the kids are raised.  For now, it seems to be working.</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin Ady</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benjamin Ady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 20:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Julie,

  I wonder why your friend thought that you thought she was going to hell?  I can imagine I would have trouble being friends with someone if I sensed that they thought that about me, no matter how kindly they acted.

  I think you asked a really interesting question about exclusivity claims and ability to accept/embrace others. It seems to me that if the exclusivity claim is saying that some people are in the club, and some aren&#039;t, and you have to do or say or think x, y, or z to get into the club, and being in the club is better than not being in the club, then of course it is not going to be possible to be fully present with/accepting of the people outside the club, when one is a club member.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julie,</p>
<p>  I wonder why your friend thought that you thought she was going to hell?  I can imagine I would have trouble being friends with someone if I sensed that they thought that about me, no matter how kindly they acted.</p>
<p>  I think you asked a really interesting question about exclusivity claims and ability to accept/embrace others. It seems to me that if the exclusivity claim is saying that some people are in the club, and some aren&#8217;t, and you have to do or say or think x, y, or z to get into the club, and being in the club is better than not being in the club, then of course it is not going to be possible to be fully present with/accepting of the people outside the club, when one is a club member.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 18:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Julie &amp; Joe -  great comments, thanks for sharing!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I can really relate to the part about both parties needing to be willing to admit they could be wrong.  I think it&#039;s really cool Julie that you were willing to explore different areas of spirituality with your friend.  It&#039;s too bad she wasn&#039;t willing to reciprocate. I definitely think it&#039;s possible to navigate difference like this and learn from each other. But yes, both people need to flex a bit.
&lt;br&gt;Anybody out there have any friendships where you are able to navigate difference?  Why do you think it works?&lt;/br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julie &#038; Joe &#8211;  great comments, thanks for sharing!
<p>I can really relate to the part about both parties needing to be willing to admit they could be wrong.  I think it&#8217;s really cool Julie that you were willing to explore different areas of spirituality with your friend.  It&#8217;s too bad she wasn&#8217;t willing to reciprocate. I definitely think it&#8217;s possible to navigate difference like this and learn from each other. But yes, both people need to flex a bit.<br />
<br />Anybody out there have any friendships where you are able to navigate difference?  Why do you think it works?</p>
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		<title>By: joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 10:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Julie, she just sounds like someone who only wanted friendship on her terms.  maybe there wasn&#039;t anything more you could have done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julie, she just sounds like someone who only wanted friendship on her terms.  maybe there wasn&#8217;t anything more you could have done.</p>
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