Comments on: Phyllis Tickle – The Great Emergence http://www.recycleyourfaith.com/2009/12/04/phyllis-tickle-the-great-emergence/ travel to new places in your spiritual thought life Thu, 09 Feb 2012 21:42:37 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 By: richard winkel http://www.recycleyourfaith.com/2009/12/04/phyllis-tickle-the-great-emergence/comment-page-1/#comment-33085 richard winkel Sun, 05 Feb 2012 05:47:17 +0000 http://www.recycleyourfaith.com/?p=1176#comment-33085 This seems to be more of the history of the roman church and europe. For me i liked what she said, however, historically the romans and constanaople where fighting sense 300 when constatine moved the capital. There was a fight in christanity. it broke north and south. Oriental orthodox and byzantine orthodox, then east and west. roman and byzantium. The romans have been constantly updateing and changing thier belief to fit thier needs. The orthodox really havn't done that. Protestantism is a spin off of roman catholic. It is like a virus, after each generation it mutates and the most reproductive one wins out. I see this more of a form of radicial individiulism. these People who do not even want to have to listen to a pastor. They don't even care about what christ taught through the church, so they got ride of it for the bible. Now they don't like the bible. so now it is the spirit. There is no authority in this form. The indiviual is the authority. led by his own passions and wants instead of god. The only future of this is a christianty that blends into nothingness. Mixing other beliefs and other gods into it, until it is no longer christian. I will admit i am a protest looking at becoming orthodox, strictly for the fact that there is no authority in protestantism. Who has the authority? Every person read the bible differently. Who is right? The answer to me is that there are people much smarter then me who have studied this topic much longer and have a history from the fathers and jesus. I have my opinion, what does that matter. We all do, I think there is also much to gain spitually from bieng submissive to ones spirtiual father. The church is a hospital and the fathers are doctors. If you want to be sick and not go the hospital and talk to the doctor and instead you just want to talk to your friend or some guy who read a book go ahead. I am going to the hospitial. I am part of a pentacostal church, when was the last the "holy spirit" led people to do things that are against there own ego. When was the last time the holy spirit led someone to give all they had to the poor and follow me. it seems to me that this is very dangerous and will only lead to the end of protestantism who is breaking into smaller and smaller groups until it is just you and jesus. We got ride of one pope in rome a thosand miles away for a thousand popes 1 mile away. This seems to be more of the history of the roman church and europe. For me i liked what she said, however, historically the romans and constanaople where fighting sense 300 when constatine moved the capital. There was a fight in christanity. it broke north and south. Oriental orthodox and byzantine orthodox, then east and west. roman and byzantium. The romans have been constantly updateing and changing thier belief to fit thier needs. The orthodox really havn’t done that. Protestantism is a spin off of roman catholic. It is like a virus, after each generation it mutates and the most reproductive one wins out. I see this more of a form of radicial individiulism. these People who do not even want to have to listen to a pastor. They don’t even care about what christ taught through the church, so they got ride of it for the bible. Now they don’t like the bible. so now it is the spirit. There is no authority in this form. The indiviual is the authority. led by his own passions and wants instead of god. The only future of this is a christianty that blends into nothingness. Mixing other beliefs and other gods into it, until it is no longer christian. I will admit i am a protest looking at becoming orthodox, strictly for the fact that there is no authority in protestantism. Who has the authority? Every person read the bible differently. Who is right? The answer to me is that there are people much smarter then me who have studied this topic much longer and have a history from the fathers and jesus. I have my opinion, what does that matter. We all do, I think there is also much to gain spitually from bieng submissive to ones spirtiual father. The church is a hospital and the fathers are doctors. If you want to be sick and not go the hospital and talk to the doctor and instead you just want to talk to your friend or some guy who read a book go ahead. I am going to the hospitial. I am part of a pentacostal church, when was the last the “holy spirit” led people to do things that are against there own ego. When was the last time the holy spirit led someone to give all they had to the poor and follow me. it seems to me that this is very dangerous and will only lead to the end of protestantism who is breaking into smaller and smaller groups until it is just you and jesus. We got ride of one pope in rome a thosand miles away for a thousand popes 1 mile away.

]]> By: derek http://www.recycleyourfaith.com/2009/12/04/phyllis-tickle-the-great-emergence/comment-page-1/#comment-995 derek Sun, 06 Dec 2009 18:51:02 +0000 http://www.recycleyourfaith.com/?p=1176#comment-995 being a 'church planter', i've been wrestling a lot with the way we were 'doing' it... i was trained in the purpose driven,'launch large' concept of church and i haven't read a whole lot on missional church (or anything with 'emerge' at the root of it's name, b/c it basically declared sacrilegious in the denom i came out of!) - but i know what i've been drawn to do... and what i've been involved with just wasn't it... i recently had to stop in my tracks and our church plants' tracks to let our friends know that something just wasn't right... we had tried something 'different', and experimented by starting out without structure (we thought this would be a good idea - it's not!) it morphed within 6 months into a 'genX' church service... it's wild/painfully frustrating how we wanted to be missional and less institutional, but we fell right back into the trap of the system that grew up in... live and learn!... btw,i love this site... it has connected me with a world that i was sheltered from... thoughts, questions and realizations that i had that were suppressed in the system that i've been part of for so long... so anyway, THANK YOU FOR POSTING THIS! really great insight and very timely... being a ‘church planter’, i’ve been wrestling a lot with the way we were ‘doing’ it… i was trained in the purpose driven,’launch large’ concept of church and i haven’t read a whole lot on missional church (or anything with ‘emerge’ at the root of it’s name, b/c it basically declared sacrilegious in the denom i came out of!) – but i know what i’ve been drawn to do… and what i’ve been involved with just wasn’t it… i recently had to stop in my tracks and our church plants’ tracks to let our friends know that something just wasn’t right… we had tried something ‘different’, and experimented by starting out without structure (we thought this would be a good idea – it’s not!) it morphed within 6 months into a ‘genX’ church service… it’s wild/painfully frustrating how we wanted to be missional and less institutional, but we fell right back into the trap of the system that grew up in… live and learn!… btw,i love this site… it has connected me with a world that i was sheltered from… thoughts, questions and realizations that i had that were suppressed in the system that i’ve been part of for so long…
so anyway, THANK YOU FOR POSTING THIS! really great insight and very timely…

]]> By: Elaine http://www.recycleyourfaith.com/2009/12/04/phyllis-tickle-the-great-emergence/comment-page-1/#comment-994 Elaine Sun, 06 Dec 2009 15:17:30 +0000 http://www.recycleyourfaith.com/?p=1176#comment-994 Thank you for posting this. Every time I listen to Phyllis, I capture a new nugget of understanding of how we have arrived where we (Christians) are today. She is a very wise woman. I realize Phyllis is expressing her view and understanding of history. How she applies it to what is happening today and where she sees this leading, I find very prophetic - it gives me hope for our future. I can see the possibilities of what could be. While I believe I will not live long enough to see this new world fully born - I am challenged to bear witness and help facilitate what new thing God is doing and respectfully, bring closure to the old, broken dysfunctional ways of being together. Transitions can be hard for us human beings. (we are bearing witness to the death of our financial, education, religious, business systems and more, because they were built on the foundation of power and control - not love and compassion. Many of these systems were originally created to "serve" the communities and became corrupted and have the community serving the institutions.) Where ever I show up, the communities of Off The Map, A Small Group, Open Space, Art of Hosting, World Cafe and more - I see the Holy Spirit moving across this planet. When I am able to let go of my habits of gathering and just experience these alternative ways of being together, I am set free. This new thing resonates in my deepest core - and, I believe it is actually a very ancient way of being together - it is how Jesus was with us - my spirit recognizes it even while my "brain" resists. Surrender to what the Spirit is calling us back to... Thank you for posting this. Every time I listen to Phyllis, I capture a new nugget of understanding of how we have arrived where we (Christians) are today.

She is a very wise woman. I realize Phyllis is expressing her view and understanding of history. How she applies it to what is happening today and where she sees this leading, I find very prophetic – it gives me hope for our future. I can see the possibilities of what could be.

While I believe I will not live long enough to see this new world fully born – I am challenged to bear witness and help facilitate what new thing God is doing and respectfully, bring closure to the old, broken dysfunctional ways of being together. Transitions can be hard for us human beings. (we are bearing witness to the death of our financial, education, religious, business systems and more, because they were built on the foundation of power and control – not love and compassion. Many of these systems were originally created to “serve” the communities and became corrupted and have the community serving the institutions.)

Where ever I show up, the communities of Off The Map, A Small Group, Open Space, Art of Hosting, World Cafe and more – I see the Holy Spirit moving across this planet. When I am able to let go of my habits of gathering and just experience these alternative ways of being together, I am set free. This new thing resonates in my deepest core – and, I believe it is actually a very ancient way of being together – it is how Jesus was with us – my spirit recognizes it even while my “brain” resists.

Surrender to what the Spirit is calling us back to…

]]> By: Randy Siever http://www.recycleyourfaith.com/2009/12/04/phyllis-tickle-the-great-emergence/comment-page-1/#comment-986 Randy Siever Fri, 04 Dec 2009 18:44:17 +0000 http://www.recycleyourfaith.com/?p=1176#comment-986 Wow. This may be one of the most important pieces of video you've ever recorded, Craig. I didn't get to hear her whole thing at the OTM event, so I doubly appreciate this short synopsis. I'm going to gather some folks at my house and show this. Wow. Wow. This may be one of the most important pieces of video you’ve ever recorded, Craig. I didn’t get to hear her whole thing at the OTM event, so I doubly appreciate this short synopsis. I’m going to gather some folks at my house and show this.

Wow.

]]> By: Sean http://www.recycleyourfaith.com/2009/12/04/phyllis-tickle-the-great-emergence/comment-page-1/#comment-985 Sean Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:41:33 +0000 http://www.recycleyourfaith.com/?p=1176#comment-985 WOW, what an amazing perspective!!! WOW, what an amazing perspective!!!

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