This is the third week in a four-part series called Four Perspectives on Homosexuality. Each week a different person will be highlighted with a different point of view. A new segment called “Rewind” will also accompany these week’s main video. Rewind segments give you a glimpse into the experiences that have shaped the interviewee’s perspectives. For more information about the Four Perspectives on Homosexuality series click here.

How do you respond to what Adam says about homosexuality? Do you find his arguments convincing?

ABOUT THE INTERVIEWEE: Adam Hood blogs at 24 Hour Bride.
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384 Responses to “Homosexuality is a Sin”

  1. Jonathan H. says:

    Ever stop to think that the DRUGS where the issue and NOT THE HOMOSEXUALITY? This guy was tripping out on drugs, has nothing to do with being gay.

  2. sassmaiden says:

    So when you get to heaven be prepared for god to check up on you in the big book of genitals.

    • discoshadow says:

      i think that is only in the church of sweet baby jesus, in
      the church of fully grown man jesus, it is not only about
      what your genitals have done, but also all your naughty
      thoughts as well…. and thats the kind of god i like.
      totalitarian. sweet.

    • Harry Jedlicka says:

      God did say homosexuality is worthy of eternity in hell. just wmail me for proof at jedlickaharry@sbcglobal.net. want a faxter reply just call me at 1 512-317-2105. I will pray with you and show you the way out of homosexuality.
      men do choose to be homosexual but more in a subtle choice to npt correctly bond with your father or dozens of other subtle traps. No manchooses to outright become a homosexual I don’t believe. It took me 20 plus years to be completely free from homosexuality. Of I could do it with God all men can be free from this sad sin. God loves homosexuals enough to send His Son Jesus Christ to die for theit sin. If murder is not a sin then homosexuality is not. Both are though. The New Testament as well as Leviticus.

  3. Danilo says:

    This guy needs help , I’m sorry for the woman he marry , imagine been a diner party … Hi this my husband …. yes he is straight …. yes yes I,m sure that what JESUS told him !!! ESTA LOCA !!!

  4. Dottii says:

    I think Adam has some very great points. Homosexuals should feel the shame. And they should be quarantined (for limited time of course).
    There should be funded organizations that do just this. Create summercamps for abominations where they can go to for 2 weeks or so (voluntarily, I mean, they still have rights) and sin all they want day and night. Boy, will they feel ashamed!


    • Joel McCulla says:

      You know what… hell yeah quarantine us…. would be the wildest and most interesting summer camp I can think of….
      And given for the most of us we feel natural and happy in what we ARE and in what we were MADE I doubt you’ll see us with shame on our faces!
      Its simple…. you don’t like homosexuaality… don’t take part in it… it’s the same view I hold on biggoted religious views.

    • Rhiannon says:

      It makes me feel upset, how backwards your mind is.

    • Queereverend says:

      I would like you to be able to visit a camp where you are allowed to judge people all day and night and then have to meet those people one-on-one and see how you have impacted their lives. I would like you to see how they turn to drugs to fill the emptiness they feel because people like you, parents like you, have made them feel because you are so certain of what God wants of them after you listened to your pastor who listened to some pastor who listened to some teacher in seminary, who has never unpacked the scriptures because they were all so sure they already knew as well. I want you to hear the stories of all the teenagers and even adults who then killed themselves because of how you judged them. I want you to meet Satan so he can thank you for doing his work for him. You see, Satan’s work, if he were real, would be to get you to separate people from God because of your own fear and understanding while those people are just looking for the same things as you. They just wanted to be happy.

      Boy, will you feel ashamed!


      • Laurie says:

        It is written in the Bible how God feels about homosexuality!

        • Brian says:

          Oh, Laurie. The Bible is a book that’s been translated, mis-translated and edited by people with political agendas. The word for “homosexual” didn’t even exist in the original Aramaic. Moreover, even if you believe the Bible was divinely inspired, there are many interpretations of what the Bible says. Jesus himself didn’t utter a word about homosexuality.

          I wish more Christians would use their God-given brains, rather than parrot the rhetoric they’ve been fed.

          Consider these:



          • Harry Jedlicka says:

            Sorry you are sadly wrong. Jesus did say homosexuality is sin. Jesus is the Word of God read John 1:1-14. just call me at 512-317-2105/ Harry Jedlicka bought wuth the price of Jesus Blood and resurection. You can e-mail me at jedlickaharry@sbcglobal.net if you are truly intersted in finding truth. Love in Christ my Lord!!!!!!!!!!

        • Johan says:

          Laurie, it’s also written in the Bible how “God” feels about:
          1. Eating shrimp, crabs, & lobster
          2. Modern farming practices
          3. Women speaking in church
          4. Women with uncovered heads in church
          5. Divorce (Moses allows it, Jesus does not…)
          6. Wearing cloth of multiple fibers (i.e. cotton-poly blends, and such)

          Now, assuming you keep to those commands, are you wearing a hat as you type your messages in this religious community? Have you abstained from shellfish this month? Are you avoiding cotton-poly blends, as Leviticus commands? Remember, even most spandex is an abomination, according the the Bible.

          • Paul says:

            Typical answer, same sex idolatry equals eating shell fish!! The Apostle Paul said homosexual practice is a breach of Natural Moral Law (as the Holy Roman Church up holds). The blessed Lord said the end time (Luke 17:28) would be like the days of Lot. Homosexuality and its rise as a psycho political force in the western world mirrors the days of Lot. This is all prophesied as End Time predictions.

          • Johan says:

            Paul, I’m with Luther as to the legitimacy of an institutional hold on the interpretation of Scripture. The Church in Rome has done a lot of damage to this world and to God’s Children. Somehow I think trusting in it’s interpretations is not something I can ever be comfortable with.

      • Paul says:

        Cos thats what we really need isn’t it? We are short of a few Gay clergy in the northern hemisphere. We self indulgent queens are a product of 1960′s decadent individualism. We have nothing to do with the community of belief that has stood as the body of Christ for 2 millenia. Sexually active homosexuals are not monogomous beyond the first flush of limerant attraction. They cannot become one flesh and as the blessed Adam says, those who bugger their fellows shoot the divine seed into excrement which is counter to natural law.

        • Lisa says:

          Your venom proceeds you, Paul. And they’ll know we are Christian by our… love.

          • Paul says:

            Judge with right judgement. Sin is sin.

            Millions have died with AIDS. Those poor souls followed the crowd to the bath houses, the orgies or just trusting a lover who had been with so many others. If that is love, give me righteousness.

            My righteousness is as filthy rags but Christ’s is pure.

          • Paul says:

            Thank God for Jesus. I am not an advocate for ‘ex-Gay’ ministries but I know the Gay life is a life of huge compromise with sin. There is a BIG lie out there in society that Gay relationships are the same as heterosexual relationships. Homosexuality for me was really about idol worship (and still is in my fantasy life). God says, “You will have no others gods before me.”

            As for the insults Adam Hood is enduring by Gay men who mock his being ‘camp’ what hypocrisy. They would be the same people horrified is a straight person mocked a Gay person’s effeminacy. Talk about ‘stereotyping’. God bless Adam Hood.

      • John says:

        Paul, Paul, Paul. You criticise people for mocking Adam’s campness, and with the same breath spit gay stereotypes left right and centre.
        I mean come on, AIDs? To quote the article at: http://www.thebody.com/content/art32330.html which sums it up perfectly:
        “HIV is not a gay disease. Nope. All of us are at risk in getting HIV from unsafe sex or other modes of blood to blood contact, like sharing needles. Television talk shows and all those fundamentalist/conservative/family values groups are chock full of flaky, clueless lightweights who made up their minds twenty years ago that HIV is a product of the so-called “gay lifestyle” and it’s God’s wrath on homosexuals. These poor creatures are so invested in this myth that they are incapable of hearing the truth. They continue to spew their self-righteous, delusional feculence to the detriment of all humanity. They are, in fact, shameless, insidious prevaricators driven solely by their irrational loathing and fear of homosexuality.”
        You seem to acknowledge the Bible as some kind of infallible guide to leading a good life, yet you scoff at Johan for mentioning the shellfish argument.
        I can see from your other comments that you’ve had a tough time with your sexuality, and I’m sorry. But being gay doesn’t have to be about objectifying people of the same sex any more than being straight has to be about objectifying the opposite sex. I hope I’m not out of line in saying this, but I hope you’re not replacing your previous self-idolisation with self-hatred.
        This stuff about not shooting seed into excrement seems bizarre to me. First of all it’s the first time I’ve ever heard anal sex described in such an awkward way. Secondly, I’m not aware of the Bible having any problems with anal sex between a married heterosexual couple. Thirdly, as someone previously mentioned, what’s the Bible’s view on lesbians? Finally, the Bible says not to spill your seed in any way other than marital sex with a woman. That means no masturbation, no condoms, no..well, I’m sure you get my point by now.
        So the Bible’s this really important manual on how to live your mortal life and get to heaven, but some parts of it matter and some parts don’t?

    • Paul says:

      As a celebate (disallusioned) homosexual who returned to Christian after years on the scene and in relationships I have to say I have NEVER met a monogomous homosexual couple after the first few months of their relationship. If there are ‘monogomous couples’ it is very short lived. When people say to me, “But I knew these guys who were monogomous,” I know that if it is true they are so rare they are the exceptions that prove the rule.

      Thank God for Jesus. I am not an advocate for ‘ex-Gay’ ministries but I know the Gay life is a life of huge compromise with sin. There is a BIG lie out there in society that Gay relationships are the same as heterosexual relationships. Homosexuality for me was really about idol worship (and still is in my fantasy life). God says, “You will have no others gods before me.”

      As for the insults Adam Hood is enduring by Gay men who mock his being ‘camp’ what hypocrisy. They would be the same people horrified is a straight person mocked a Gay person’s effeminacy. Talk about ‘stereotyping’. God bless Adam Hood.

      • Brian says:

        Paul, your comments as a “celebate” [sic] and “disallusioned” [sic] homosexual are telling. You say you “know the Gay life is a life of huge compromise with sin”? Really? Certainly not for me, nor for most of my friends. How sad that your blinders have limited your view.

        You are worlds apart from the well-rounded, integrated gay men I know. I’m sorry for you. Your seem very quick to label, define and judge other people’s lives. Perhaps your disillusionment comes from an unwillingness to look deeper within yourself…to the place where that judgment and misery resides. Perhaps your capacity for self-examination has been drowned out by fear and self-loathing embodied in a dogma with which you have been brainwashed. It is in many ways more convenient to embrace someone else’s dogma and abdicate one’s own responsibility to be a thinking, self-aware human being. But if you looked deep inside yourself, you’d see you are a beautiful, normal human being with the same struggles we all have. And by denying your God-given capacity for love, you are denying yourself of all that makes life worth living.

        Your further comment that “Jesus preached ‘Hell fire’” reveals even more. I’m sorry you are so frightened and disgusted by yourself. I hope some day you’ll realize that your capacity for love is God-given and natural…something to be celebrated.

        I wish you well.

        • Paul says:

          Our comfortable life of promiscuity and serial monogomy is leading us to hell. I was disallusioned by the promiscuity and short duration of the vast majority of Gay relationships. Only today I read that a gay health charity has issued a warning to the Gay community that Gay men are subject to a lethal strain of clamydia. This is because of the level of promiscuity. Don’t kid yourself, you know it is true for you and your ‘sorted and well integrated friends’ too. God loves you and is calling you away from the self indulgent individualism the Gay life is. Follow the shepherd into wholesome and holy pastures.

          1 Cor 5: 12: For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? 13 God judges those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you.”

          Shooting the divine seed into excrement is counter to natural moral law. Anal cancer among Gay men is high. Oral cancer among men and women is on the increase.

          • Brian says:

            Uh, Paul? You’re starting to repeat yourself. You’ve written the same comments verbatim here on different dates. You seem to have an obsession with the phrase “shooting the divine seed into excrement.”

            As for your comment about people dying from AIDS, you are apparently unaware that the majority of AIDS infections are occurring among heterosexuals. How does your “AIDS-retribution-for-sin” model account for the estimated 330,000 children worldwide who have died of AIDS? What about lesbians, who have among the lowest incidence of HIV infection of ANY population group?

            I don’t know what kind of demons you are facing, but I find your comments ridiculous, offensive and beyond the pale. May I suggest you work through this stuff personally, with your own therapist, and spare the rest of us your weirdness.

          • Jeremy says:

            Paul, your comments about anal cancer and oral cancer are mis-leading. Anal and oral cancer is caused by the human papilloma virus, or HPV, the very same virus that gives women cervical cancer, and can be contracted by both men and women. HPV is also easily treatable when it is caught early through an anual check-up. So just like anal and oral cancer is on the rise, so too is cervical/vaginal cancer but I don’t see you condeming heterosexual intercourse. The reality is this, HPV can be spread by simply touching a person with an open HPV sore, so too lessen you chance of getting HPV, wash your hands often. The spread of HPV to the mouth can be greatly reduced by not kissing someone with open sores. And the spread of HPV to ones genitals can be reduced by using condoms. Of course a person can completely eliminate the chance of getting HPV sexually by not sleeping around, and to stay commited to ones partner. I understand your arguement about how promiscuous men are, but its not just gay men, its all men, women have to deal with it too. In the end, it really comes down to choices that we must all make, do you sleep with strangers or not, HPV is not simply limited to gay men.

        • Fulcrum says:

          Paul is clearly as broken as Adam is — and I don’t judge him for that.

          But I take serious issue with lumping his entire world view into his limited personal experience. Just cuz you bedded countless men doesn’t mean that you are going to HELL. Was it the best choice – no. Was it a choice that lead to happiness – no. Was it about sin or just his own self-destructive choices – YES.

          Just cuz the people he associated with aren’t stable or monogamous doesn’t mean that everyone who happens to be gay is like that.

          You’d probably have more visible role-models and more productive ones if gay people didn’t live their lives so invisibly.

          ALSO – the whole DIVINE SEED thing – is just so ridiculous.

          Natural Order takes care of so many of these things. My straight friends who bed their wives and girlfriends anally and my friends who’ve had the snip snip or their tubes tied aren’t going to HELL because they wasted seed.

          LONG AND SHORT — I’m sorry Paul’s life was so rough – but he needs to get his head out of that book of lies and out of his own head and into actual therapy. I think the Bible beating is so much easier than the work required for good counseling.

          Isn’t it easier to just follow a set of instructions that set off and forge a new path into the unknown.

          DIVINE SEED!!!!

      • Lisa says:

        I would like to second what Brian has said and add that you are also worlds apart from the lesbians and gay men that I know. There are certainly many dysfunctional gay and lesbian people and relationships, just as there are dysfunctional heterosexual people and relationships.
        Paul, I’m sorry for your experience.

        • Paul says:

          My experience was what many straight people go through too. It was the result of serial monogomy and short lived Gay relationships that gutted me motionally. I was also using sex as a drug like so many clubbers Gay and Straight do today. I, like so many others, was abusing my own ego by flying towards a light that burned my wings.

          There is only one way to honour God sexually, with heterosexual marriage or chastity.

          God bless you.

        • Paul says:

          Luke 17:28. (“The time of Lot” = Sodom and Gomorrah). It is a profound act of love to point people away from Hell.

          I find the Holy Father’s up holding Natural Moral Law the only way a life lived in conformity with Christ is possible. If people fall, and humans often fall, they repent. What they don’t do is call ‘darkness light’.

          • Fulcrum says:

            seriously – you are all so righteous and smug in your passive condemnation. Live your own lives and try not to kill, cheat, lie, hurt and steal from anyone else — nothing else is a sin. Sex is not bad. Sex is healthy and normal. Homosexual relationships – like all couples are not solely based on sex. You will always have sexually extreme individuals – straight or gay. Sin has nothing do with it.

            You look for answers outside of yourselves – and seem content – so content to judge and point fingers based on bad translations of stories that were strong together people thousands of years ago in a effort to guide and yes control the masses. And these stories were probably made up anyway.

            Adam is a fraud. He is sad and pathetic and it has nothing to do with his being gay – it has to do with his choices after a shitty childhood.

      • Ashuhlee says:

        I absolutely love your comments. I couldn’t agree more. While God loves every individual, no matter how much they are living in sin, he still feels the anger and heartache that they aren’t living life as he would have them live it. God wants us to have life and have it more abundantly. But he doesn’t want us to seek out worldly things to find that happiness. He’s everything we need. And he fills in the blanks. Thanks for you comment. :)

        • Queereverend says:

          Then you are single? Celibate? Eat only plain foods? Drink only what is required to sustain life? Have nothing other than what you need? You are an ascetic? If there is a God as you imagine Him, then he gave us all that is available to find a way to love in a world that makes loving hard. He longs for us to forgive and to see with compassion all those around us who struggle with life and the living of it. We are given the worldly to access the higher knowing of Divinity. Do not believe for a second that your imagining of a God who angers at the behavior of humans is the truth. That is creating God in the likeness of man instead of the knowing of man in the likeness of this God about whom you so easily throw around ideas. How can you love God if you can not love His creation?

          • Ashuhlee says:

            Single? Yes. Celebate? Yes. I do routine fastings and prayer. Do I know everything about God? No way. It’s nearly impossible to know how infinite God is. What I do know is God loves and loves and loves without ceasing. But He is also a fair judge. Believe as you want to believe, but God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. If He did not condone homosexuality and deemed it a sin in the Old Testament, then New Testament world and today, that has not changed. God is most definitely an all loving being and expects us to do the same. I feel a great love for people of every background, whether they be homosexual, heterosexual, sex addicts, drug addicts, of other religious backgrounds and ethnicities. I can love abundantly everyone who is facing hardship in their lives, yet no where does God state that I must say “that’s okay” to sinful natures. Do I release myself from a “sinful nature”? No. I will admit that in my past I have lied, stolen, looked with lust and I’ve coveted. And that is just 4 of the commandments. However, God is also a forgiving God. I constantly seek salvation and redeeming grace. But it’s because I ASK for it. I have to truly repent before I am forgiven. Same goes with every sin. I didn’t post for an attack queereverend, so please do not go looking for a fight. Everything I say is with a Jeremiah 29:11-13 attitude. Not condemnation or judgment.

  5. Ian says:

    Witchcraft and the Mafia are in the gay community? And gays can literally take your soul to hell? I believe that. Sure.

    • Johan says:

      Sadly, they are. I used to get so many of those infernal Mafia Wars invites on Facebook from all my gay friends. ;)

  6. Spatula says:

    Yeah, he’s really “formerly” gay in that scarf.

  7. Stu says:

    It’s funny how this guy talks only about gay men, and fixates especially on anal sex… as if straight couples don’t have anal sex too… as if gay men don’t have other kinds of sex…. as if all there is to being gay is having sex… as if gay women somehow have anal sex too….. as if….

    • Dottii says:

      Gay women having anal sex… I’d watch that.

    • Paul says:

      Yeah, but anal cancer is high and getting more frequent amongst the gay community of ‘bottoms’. Neither straight nor Gay should shoot the divine seed into excrement anyway.

      • Lisa says:

        Paul, respectfully, your words have begun to seem a little out of line to me.

        I’m very sorry, and I mean this genuinely, that you were “gutted” by your experience. I wish so much that you had had a different experience. I cannot help but wonder if you would have a different perspective now. I hope that you can heal from the way you have been hurt and that you can begin to respect others based on their also valid experiences.

      • Fulcrum says:

        Disease is associated with HPV — not HIV — for the record – as you mentioned confusingly elsewhere…

        and if Warts and cancer are ON THE RISE — it is only because PEOPLE — MEN/MEN, MEN/WOMEN, WOMEN/WOMEN — aren’t being monogamous – NOT BECAUSE they are merely having sex.

        DISEASE ISN’T A PUNISHMENT. It’s a fact of life.

        Yes – people could have less disease if they fell in love as virgins and lived a monogamous life — BUT if they did this as gay or straight or married or unmarried – they wouldn’t CREATE DISEASE. God wouldn’t PUNISH THEM WITH ASS CANCER.

        Stop trying to connect dots that have nothing to do with orientation that have ONLY to do with BEHAVIOR and STATISTICS.

        I’m sorry your life was so fucked up – but seriously – your path and choices don’t affect ANYONE ELSE and they certainly don’t DEFINE ANYONE ELSE.

  8. Bri says:

    Adam Hood. You are breaking my heart. Your videos are exactly what you said you ‘were’ when you ‘were’ gay….they are all about you. So self absorbed with God and Jesus thrown in a few times. ‘I had the best looking boyfriend…’ and quote after quote after quote that seem to show a longing to return and not this ‘freedom’ you express when you finally came inside a woman. I’m at a total loss. May God open your eyes.

    • Ed says:


      One of the saddest parts of Adam’s ‘conversion’ to heterosexuality is that the people who got to him now have him living a lie. This cannot end well. Because in my opinion living a lie would qualify as a sin in the Christian world view especially if you drag a woman into it.

      One big beef I have with a lot of Christians is that they consider the whole package of being gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgendered to be a sin, not just the sexual activity. They may deny it at first but if you push them on it, or if they find out someone they know and are on good terms with is gay (especially if the person’s a gay man) they suddenly act much less loving towards this person as if they think he/she has an intrinsic sin that MUST be gotten rid of, even if they know that person is abstinent. The worst are the families who force their LGB or T child into “ex-gay” therapy under threat of disownership.

      And yes, I’m gay, I tried to become straight through the auspices of the Boston Church of Christ and it DIDN’T WORK.

    • Paul says:

      What matters is Adam is trying to honour God, who delivered him from that demonic lifestyle. .

      • Fulcrum says:

        Dude you may not be a SEXUALLY ACTIVE gay — but you are still a queen.

        THE DRAMA?!!



        This is absurd.

        PS — You’re still as gay as the day is long. Why don’t you just find a nice person to love and love you back. Life is too short to be unhappy and God will not throw you in hell for loving another human being.

  9. Johan says:

    It is quite possible to lead a destructive lifestyle as a gay man. I don’t think that means it’s automatically true that all gay men lead destructive lifestyles.

    I’m gay. I don’t struggle with drug addiction like Adam has. For that matter I don’t really struggle with vanity, narcissism, or the urge to commit crime. But the fact that Adam has stems from the fact that he’s human, not from the fact that he once pursued men.

    My struggles are human struggles too, not unique to gay men. I struggle with maintaining a loving and respectful relationship with my parents. I too am facing down lust and the urge toward sexual infidelity that so many men struggle with. But latching on to the idea that all my problems are due to the fact that I’m gay really solves nothing. Straight men still have the same struggles I have. Straight men still fight the same battles Adam has fought.

    For me, I know that I cannot place the blame for all my troubles on sexuality. Nor can I reasonably hope that finding a woman and having kids with her would somehow lead to greater sexual self-control and a better relationship with my parents. I am content with my orientation. Blaming my personal flaws on it seems as silly to me as blaming them on the color of my eyes or the fact that I’m ambidextrous.

    • Paul says:

      I am not neurotic because I am Gay, but I am Gay because I am neurotic.

      Being ‘cured’ of ones sexuality is banal but wanting out of a lifestyle that is all about the objectification of ones own sex (inversion as Proust called it) is laudable.

      • Johan says:

        Well Paul, I’m glad that you’ve gotten beyond the objectification of people. You should know that’s a problem that both straight and gay men struggle with, not something that the “lifestyle” you left behind has a monopoly on.

        I know plenty of straight men who struggle with lust, and plenty of gay men too. You’re falling into the same trap as Adam by assuming that gay relationships cannot transcend that struggle and find love and commitment on the same level as straight ones. The Bible has no condemnation for loving and committed same-sex relationships.

    • Jeremy says:

      Johan, this is one of the most thoughful, intelligent and insightful comments on here. I too am gay, and for years I was wrapped up in clubbing and sleeping around, but I got tired of it. While I am sure that many of the people I partied with at the clubs are good people, I only knew them from the club scene, and I grew to think that those people were shallow and only “drinking buddies.” Once I gave up going out all the time, I have made better more meaningful friendships with other gay men that participate in more meaningful activities such as biking and dinner parties. I don’t have sex very often because I am single, but it beats waking up next to a stranger all the time. And with time, I am sure I will find a nice guy, but if I don’t, I am not going to throw in the towel and go straight.

      There is a man at my mother chruch that is a “converted homosexual.” I have gone out to dinner with hiom a few times when i am home visiting my mother. And while he doesn’t say he is straight, he believes he is “cured” because he is celibate. I guess if that’s what works for him then that is fine, but I just can’t see myself living like that.

      • Fulcrum says:

        No Jeremy – you shouldn’t settle. You deserve a full life as everyone on this blog – no matter the point of view – does.

        There is a certainly evidence and thought that Gay men go through a hyper-active time sexually in their youth because after their entire lives have been socially, politically and religiously oppressed and judged they explode with the new acceptance and the KID IN THE CANDY STORE phenom happens.

        You aren’t bad because you went through that – and I tend to believe that you wouldn’t have it the world allowed you to have a crush on a boy and hold his hand and gradually come into your own — instead of being a 20 year-old with a man’s body, legal freedom and having never been able to act on your natural feelings. This isn’t – at that age – going to lead to hand-holding – it’s going to lead to full on heated sex — and lots of it.

        Later you realize this isn’t fulfilling you completely and you (GROW-UP) – much in the same way you would have naturally. Unfortunately some people like ADAM — and apparently this PAUL guy — took it to the extreme and had some serious issues and bad experiences. The difference is that you don’t seek the answer to happiness by abandoning yourself. YOU are not SIN. You are not a sinner. You are a young man that wants love.
        Stay true to those words and you will find it – accept nothing less and be patient and self-fulfilled (if you know where I’m going).

        It’s not sin. But one day – you will meet the great person that you will love. However long that lasts – enjoy – and if it does end – REPEAT.

        but you are not wrong and there is nothing wrong with you. If God created you to love another man – then do what you were created to do. But do not do things that are self-destructive and hurtful to yourself or others. But being gay and having a loving relationship with lots of love-making is not and will never be a sin. Despite what very damaged – even if well-meaning people like this have to say.

        Go live your life and Go love your life. You’ve waited long enough.

  10. Susan says:

    Sorry, but he is oozing of homosexuality. If he’s not still gay, than he has to be at least bisexual.

    • Paul says:

      So Adam Hood is flamboyant or ‘camp’! The point is Adam Hood is trying to overcome his idolatry of men.

      After years of the scene I realised that all it offered was empty, shallow and cynical. Years of sexual encounters left me jaded and feeling soooooo lonely. I am not some ‘sad old Queen’ either. I just wanted fresh air and light after years of crawling around in the shadows. Too many people are cynical when someone wants to embrace what Christ offers: faith, hope and sacrificial love.

      • Johan says:

        There are other ways to avoid hookups and casual sex than celibacy. Finding a husband would be one of them. Avoiding those places where you’re tempted is another. I truly am sorry to hear that your experiences have been difficult, but have you considered that you might have an addiction to sex? It’s not at all uncommon, and what you’ve described in various places on here sounds like it might be the real issue.

      • Jeremy says:

        Paul, please explain something to me, how is it that gay men are committing idolatry by have sex with men, and thinking about having sex with men when masturbating, but straight men are not committing idolatry by sleeping with women or fanaticizing about women when they masturbate? You know it is possible for two men to be in a committed relationship, but you will not meet them at gay clubs, bathhouses, or through friends that frequent dance clubs and bathhouses. You know the old saying, “birds of a feather flock together.”

  11. John says:

    yikes!!!! Troubled soul. God doesn’t care if your straight or gay or bi or trans, as long as you follow the “loving you neighbor” thing.

    • Paul says:

      That is satan’s lie. It leaves out the first of the two greatest commandments, “Love God with all your heart.” It is also not loving to let someone blithely run down the gangway to hell. The loving thing to do is point out where their life is leading.

      Jesus spoke about Hell more than any other person in the scriptures. However, society today presents us with ‘huggy, cuddly and lovey Jesus.’ Jesus preached ‘Hell fire.’

      Jesus said if you even call your brother (Raca) a fool or idiot you deserved hell. However, his sacrificial death saves us if we live according to the two greatest commandments.

      • Johan says:


        The Living God is not a petty god of hellfire and damnation. The Gospels certainly speak of the separation from God that we can create and the idols we can set up for ourselves, but do you know what? Jesus never once intimated that sexual orientation has anything to do with separating one’s self from God.

        What he did say was this: Love your neighbor as you love yourself and love your God above all else.

        I further submit to you that portraying Jesus as anti-gay simply does not hold water. We know that Greek society and the Romans who followed both dominated Palestine for centuries. The concept of homosexual relationships could not have been foreign to Jesus, especially, being as he is the Son of God.

        Yet the Gospels carry no mention of any condemnation from him on this topic. And indeed, they carry a story that is surprisingly contrary to the picture you would present. We are all, I’m sure, familiar with the story of the Roman centurion who comes to Jesus in abject humility. The conqueror who debases himself before the conquered, because he *knows* that this Man is more than Man. The centurion begs Jesus, we are told, to heal his beloved servant. Except that the Greek word Matthew used is “pais,” which does not exactly translate as your average manservant.

        Pais can actually have three different meanings, depending on context. It can mean boy/son, it can refer to an ordinary servant, or it can refer to the (usually) younger male consort of an older man. In Jesus’ time, it was not unheard of for a wealthier man to take on a servant as his “pais” in this last context. In fact, if a man were to desire a gay “spouse,” this was the likeliest way to accomplish that. In many respects, it was a transaction not at all dissimilar to how young women were essentially sold into marriage. But we need to be certain of Matthew’s meaning here.

        In Luke’s account of the same story, the phrase “entimos doulos” is used. Doulos means slave and is never, ever used to denote a familial relationship, so from that we can rule out the idea that this person was the Centurion’s son. Entimos, on the other hand, indicates honored or cherished status. So this “pais” was, according to Luke, a cherished part of the Centurion’s household. In Matthew, we can glean one further piece of context: When referring to others under him, the Centurion calls them “doulos,” reserving the word “pais” for his cherished servant. In this context, “pais” cannot refer to an ordinary servant. We are left with the idea that Jesus healed (and was certainly aware of the fact!) this man’s male lover.

        This narrative is inconvenient to the anti-gay storyline of Christian hardliners, but is far from the only place where God’s true love for all His children hasn’t been edited out of the Bible. Ruth loved Naomi so much that she forsook all chances at remarriage to accompany her home. In fact, the same Hebrew word used to describe the love between Adam and Eve in Genesis 2:24 is used to describe the love between Ruth and Naomi in Ruth 1:14.

        David’s love for Jonathan, the Bible says, was “greater than his love for women.” (2 Samuel 1:26).

        Eunuchs are discussed in several places in the Bible. Eunuch comes from the Greek, “eunouchos” which means “guardian or keeper of the couch.” This is, in fact, the word used in Acts to describe the Ethiopian man that Phillip spoke with. There were two kinds of eunuchs, men who were seen as fit to be trusted with financial matters and/or the keeping of a wealthy man’s house or royal court. Jesus actually identifies the two kinds, and adds a third, in Matthew 19:11-12 – “For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven.”

        Now the first two kinds of eunuchs that Jesus talks about are well known to people of the time. The third kind would be men (and women) who have given themselves over to complete celibacy in service of faith. Those who have been “made eunuchs by others” and those “who have been so from birth” were well known by the people of Jesus’ day. Eunuchs were seen as fit to oversee a wealthy household or royal court because they were known to have no interest in women. The interesting part is that there were some men who were “made eunuchs” and some who were simply born that way. We would call these men today “homosexual” or “gay.” If you’d like to look up more extensive research on this particular issue, you can find it at http://www.wouldjesusdiscriminate.org/biblical_evidence/born_gay.html

        Further on, in Acts, Phillip welcomes a eunuch and baptizes him into God’s kingdom. This eunuch, who had visited Jerusalem, was puzzling over Isaiah. An interesting note: While Deuteronomy 23:1 says that a eunuch may not “enter the assembly of the people” or in other words, become a Jew, Isaiah 56:3-5 assures eunuchs who follow God that they will receive a house, a monument, and a name within God’s walls. Perhaps this man was told in Jerusalem that he could not be one of God’s children because of Deuteronomy 23:1. Phillip told him otherwise and baptized him that very day!

        I don’t need genetic evidence to tell me whether or not I was born this way. I don’t need some pastor to tell me that my loving and committed relationship is valid. My Lord told me in Matthew, and in Acts, and in Isaiah. God loves you too, Paul, whether you’re straight or gay.

        And you’re right. Folks shouldn’t be applying labels to Adam based on what he wears or how he sounds. That’s most definitely not what Jesus did, and we should do better.

        • Paul says:

          A eunach is just that, someone unable to have sex because he is castrated. It doesn’t mean shooting one’s seed into excrement.

          • Johan says:

            Paul, you seem to have an unhealthy obsession with excrement.

            More to the point, you clearly skipped over most of what I shared here. Christ specifically spoke of more than one kind of eunuch. No man is literally “born” a eunuch, yet the metaphor is apt to describe a man who has no intimate interest in women.

            Additionally, the extant contemporary literature from that time period includes references to unaltered males who served as eunuchs, as well as references to eunuchs that bear striking similarity to the stereotypes applied to gay men today.

      • Fulcrum says:

        Paul – you are dealing with a lot. Clearly.

        Love is never Satan’s lie.

        If someone loves someone – no entity will every punish them for that.

        You are clearly looking for salvation from your unfulfilled and/or painful existence – but you are on a path that will not help your soul or your heart.

        Find love man – just enjoy it.

        That will never be sin.

        And for God’s own sake – stop talking about EXCREMENT every chance you take.

  12. Derrick says:

    I think this guy has been fed a lot of re-framing narrative from his “saviors.”

  13. Byron says:

    “Oh hell no! *Snap*” Couldn’t have said it better myself.

  14. autumn says:

    jesus, may we be passionate about your truth.

  15. Queereverend says:

    This saddens me a great deal. To take someone vulnerable due to years of drug abuse and sell them the idea that it is their homosexuality that has caused all of the problems is a greater sin than anything he mentions in this video. This isn’t about “hunkering down in my position.” This is about loving someone into a place that they are healthy and this is not what happened with this poor man.

    For all those who comment on the fact that he still seems very gay, that is just applying gross over-generalizations to the situation. He seem effeminate. That is all. Don’t confuse the issues. We want to say that str8 and “butch” are better than gay and nelly. The fact of the matter is, he’s just a guy. The sad fact of the matter is that he is just a guy who has been found broken by some group of people and convinced to peddle their lies and hatred because when they said they would help him, the put his broken pieces back together in a way that would suit them and leave him empty.

    • Paul says:

      Read the life of Saint John Vianney (8 May 1786 – 4 August 1859). A lot less than sexual compromise will lead us to hell.

      Jesus preached Hell fire more than any other person in the Old or New Testament.

      God wants you to emulate Saint John Vianney, Padre Pio or Paul washer, otherwise you make real: 2 Tim 3: 5 “By having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid such people”.

  16. Craig says:

    Be sure to check out this week’s video:
    On the Wrong Side of History

  17. Obviously smarter than Adam says:

    The only reason that someone’s homosexuality would have ANY negative impact on their life is because people like ADAM HOOD constantly tell them that there is something wrong with who they are. SO MANY Christians allude to the fact that drugs are so prevalent in the gay community because “gay people are so sad, because they are living in sin.” If any gay person is sad in association with their sexuality, it is because they are told their entire life that they are damaged. Its crazy that someone who understands what it means to be hated would turn around and spread hate. I attended an X-GAY ministry, and Adam Hood reminds me of the pastor- an overly flamboyant man denouncing homosexuality. He wears an ascot for God sake!!!!

    Nature delights in diversity, why don’t human beings?

  18. lovin life says:

    How typical, someone strung out on drugs turning to GOD!!! Hello, drugs forever alter your biochemistry and when someone is at the end of their ropes, Christianity looks really good!!!! After all, who wouldn’t want to be “accepted” into the largest “click” in the world?????

  19. Tesia Mallory says:

    It’s troubling to me that so many people are making comments about Adam’s clothing or attitude. The last time I checked external appearances or behaviors don’t determine someone’s sexual identity. Heterosexual men can be effeminate too…

    I’m just glad that he loves the Lord.

    • Fulcrum says:

      Tesia — you are forgetting the important part of this Fairy Tale.

      Adam is a homosexual.

      And that doesn’t change.

      And while some heterosexual men may not be macho or overly masculine in a traditional sense – there is not a single man that is this feminine that is heterosexual.

      It’s like the saying goes – NOT ALL GAY MEN ACT LIKE THIS — BUT ONLY GAY MEN ACT LIKE THIS.

  20. I am all for someone sharing their testimony of freedom. I left a gay life behind in pursuit of Christ, too. And yet, so much of what Adam said was in direct conflict with what I believe about God and who I know Him to be.

    Is homosexuality an abomination? According to scripture, yes. But so are the sins that everyone else struggles with, too. Haughty eyes, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, feet that are quick to rush into evil, a false witness that pours out lies, a brother that stirs up dissension. Hello, raise your hand up when I hit your sin because I will. Adam’s comments that homosexuality is a “greater than” sin is not biblical truth. It’s a sin. Jesus would have had to die for us even if there hadn’t ever been a sin called homosexuality. Gay and lesbian people don’t need more condemnation. They need His Kindness, which is what leads to repentance. Calling homosexuality gangrene isn’t helpful. I found this story distracting. He doesn’t represent me.


    • Fulcrum says:

      I like you Alan.

      I don’t agree with you – but I like you.

      I agree with your message of all sin is equal – but I don’t agree that homosexuality is a sin.

      I wonder – what is your story and what made you “leave” being gay — if you would share. I don’t ask to mock you – but to understand your journey. Though to fair and upfront – I will not agree with the conclusion you came to – I just don’t.

      But you seem to be a very earnest guy. So I ask.

      Best – RE

  21. Jean Bodaine says:

    Is this video for real? It seems like a joke. The guy is so effeminate — even wearing an ascot. Is this serious?

  22. Sherrie Sutton says:

    The purpose of me commenting is that I am hoping Adam will see this and be encouraged. He does not deserve all the vile comments made toward him here & other sites as well. How does a christian forget there is no condemnation in Christ Jesus. ~Romans 8:1 The gentleman confessed his sin, knows Jesus is Lord, and that absolutly redeems him. Still some of you could not resist tearing him to pieces, and you don’t feel like a classical sinner? So many judged his character and appearance, yet the Lord searches the heart and understands the motive behind the thoughts, and even if our own hearts condemn us, God is greater than our hearts. God will purify him according to His good pleasure. I thought he beautifully portrayed the love and truth of Christ. Perhaps some things he said was difficult for some to hear, there is an audience who is in need of this message and will be captivated and changed by it. Yes I do believe homosexuality is a sin, still I am certain Jesus would not treat them the way I see & hear so called christians mistreatment. You without sin cast the first stone and lets worry about the log in our own eyes and not the speck in our brothers.

    2 Corinthians 2:14-16 says we are the fragrance of Christ, amoung those who are being saved, and among those who are perishing. To one we are the aroma of death leading to death, and to the other the aroma of life leading to life. Adam, you are triumphant in Christ and the fragrance of His knowledge has been diffused as such thru you, your testimony was an aroma of life. By some of you smelling contempt makes you an enemy of God. We pray for our enemies and bless those who persecute us. To these I ask God to open their eyes to wisdom and revelation.

    God bless you Adam, continue to be strong and take courage. I will remember your name so take this to heart…someone is praying for you & He is a father to the fatherless Psalm 68:5

    • TJ says:

      Thank you Sherrie for your wise words, and Jesus heart!

    • Fulcrum says:

      Actually Sherrie – the purpose is to discuss the subject – from both sides.

      This man is not saved from anything. He is screaming out in pain. It’s just that everyone here wants to believe his is CURED from something he was never SICK from.

      His issues and challenges are not being gay – which – HE IS. He isn’t FORMERLY gay – he is GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY.

      His issues come from low self-esteem and really really bad choices.

      Gay Mafia and Witches? Seriously — this guy’s last problem was being gay.

      And it’s still his last problem.

      There are so many more problems in front of him now.

  23. jdpaul says:

    I have to say that in this focusing on homosexuality and vainly attempting to assert its acceptability and rightness in God’s sight by its advocates and practitioners, I’m struck by the shift away from Jesus Christ as the Source & Center of life and truth.

    To assert that homosexuality is an acceptable practice approved of by the Lord Jesus Christ is to deny His deity, to deny His oneness with His heavnly Father when He Himself declares I and my Father are one. Which is to say they are one in mind and purpose as it relates to all considerations. This is why the Jews wanted to stone Him when He made that declaration because they understood that He was saying His word is one with God’s and as such is first and final.

    To assert that homosexuality is pleasing in Jesus Christ sight is to deny the power of the cross to subdue fleshly lusts and render inoperative what the Spirit of truth calls the mind of the flesh.

    In all the lauding and applauding of homosexuality by its advocates where is the testimony to the power of Jesus’ suffering on the cross, His death, burial and resurrection in triumphing over the power of sin? It is made of no effectual power in redeeming the sinner.

    By extension then, there can be no breaking of sin’s power in the life of those whose faith is in such a Christ. This is the preaching of another Jesus. Such as the very Bible warns all seekers after eternal life to shun and beware of.

    Where is the consequent over coming and victorious life of those who trust in Jesus Christ as their Lord and Saviour, if He is not permitted to indwell them by the Spirit of holiness? Is homosexuality now regarded by God as holy living?

    By extension then so also must fornication, adultery, lying, stealing, murder, beastiality and every other contrary thing against which the Bible steadfastly declares that God disapproves and calls sin/missing the mark.

    Only chaos can reign in the lives of a fallen humanity which seeks to make God in its own image. It is the fool who has said in His heart that there is no God. And doing savagery to His word and testimony is to injure one’s own soul very severely if not fatally.

    The same scriptures that testify to Christ Lordship also bear witness against the darkness and evil in the world which resists His Lordship. The testimony of the Bible is not only to God’s love in sending Jesus Christ into the world to redeem a peculiar people out of it. But also to His righteousness and justice in judging the world system.

    We cannot advocate His love and mercy to sinners and deny His judgement against sin continued in and even celebrated.

    Those who do so deny His government and Lordship in their own lives. I make my appeal for holiness unto the Lord, not just by the testimony of the scriptures in these things that I am setting forth. But equally in the name of the One concening whom Jesus Christ testified that would be the interpreter of all He declared and is declaring today; the Spirit of Truth.

    To some aspects of pure religion and undefiled the book of James bears instructive testimony. Today in a world totally coming under the sway of darknes we see much defiled and impure religion. Yet this seal stands sure “The Lord knows them that are His.”

    And to that we must add, all those truly in Him by redeeming grace Know Him in spirit and in truth.

    In closing, with the following its my intention to challenge those on the wrong side of this discussion/debate to come under Christ’s Lordship in relation to His position on homosexuality and to not continue in seeking to make the Potter the servant of the clay.

    The following passage is taken from Mathew chapter 12. As I read it recently it brought to mind such things as I had read earlier at this site in the whole debate/discussion on Mr. Hood’s testimony.

    18.Behold, My Servant Whom I have chosen, My Beloved in and with Whom My soul is well pleased and has found its delight. I will put My Spirit upon Him, and He shall proclaim and show forth justice to the nations.

    19He will not strive or wrangle or cry out loudly; nor will anyone hear His voice in the streets;

    20A bruised reed He will not break, and a smoldering (dimly burning) wick He will not quench, till He brings justice and a just cause to victory.

    21And in and on His name will the Gentiles (the peoples outside of Israel) set their hopes.

    22Then a blind and dumb man under the power of a demon was brought to Jesus, and He cured him, so that the blind and dumb man both spoke and saw.

    23And all the [crowds of] people were stunned with bewildered wonder and said, This cannot be the Son of David, can it?

    24But the Pharisees, hearing it, said, This [i]Man drives out demons only by and with the help of Beelzebub, the prince of demons.

    25And knowing their thoughts, He said to them, Any kingdom that is divided against itself is being brought to desolation and laid waste, and no city or house divided against itself will last or continue to stand.

    26And if Satan drives out Satan, he has become divided against himself and disunified; how then will his kingdom last or continue to stand?

    27And if I drive out the demons by [help of] Beelzebub, by whose [help] do your sons drive them out? [j]For this reason they shall be your judges.

    28But if it is by the Spirit of God that I drive out the demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you [[k]before you expected it].

    29Or how can a person go into a strong man’s house and carry off his goods (the entire equipment of his house) without first binding the strong man? Then indeed he may plunder his house.

    30He who is not with Me [definitely [l]on My side] is against Me, and he who does not [definitely] gather with Me and for [m]My side scatters.

    31Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy (every evil, abusive, [n]injurious speaking, or indignity against sacred things) can be forgiven men, but blasphemy against the [Holy] Spirit shall not and [o]cannot be forgiven.

    32And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Spirit, the Holy One, will not be forgiven, either in this world and age or in the world and age to come.

    33Either make the tree sound (healthy and good), and its fruit sound (healthy and good), or make the tree rotten (diseased and bad), and its fruit rotten (diseased and bad); for the tree is known and recognized and judged by its fruit.

    34You offspring of vipers! How can you speak good things when you are evil (wicked)? For out of the fullness (the overflow, the [p]superabundance) of the heart the mouth speaks.

    35The good man from his inner good treasure [q]flings forth good things, and the evil man out of his inner evil storehouse [r]flings forth evil things.

    36But I tell you, on the day of judgment men will have to give account for every [s]idle (inoperative, nonworking) word they speak.

    37For by your words you will be justified and acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned and sentenced.

    The Jesus in Mathew’s testimony above is able to drive out not only demons of deafness and dumbness but when given the preeminence in the heart and life of a fallen man or woman (in their daily taking up of their crosses and following Him), He will also empower them to overcome all the lusts of the flesh including homosexuality.

    • John says:

      On this site in particular, it seems as though very few are denying that, according to the Bible, homosexuality is a sin.

      However, not everyone believes that the Bible is the absolute be-all-and-end-all answer to every aspect of life. Please see this video for a few examples of why this might be: http://www.recycleyourfaith.com/2009/08/24/the-bible-as-myth/

      I personally do not believe in God as anything more than a religious concept, and not being a religious person myself I have no problem with my sexuality as a gay man. I guess my point is this: I have never seen a Christian person attempt to evangelise people of other faiths. To do so would seem deeply offensive. So why, then, do such a number of Christian people try and turn atheists to God, and even tell a gay person who is wholly at peace with their sexuality that they must live a life without a true, loving relationship?

      My position is of someone who is fully aware of and educated to the scripture, and actually brought up on it for almost 2 full decades, yet made his own free, educated decision based on evidence not to believe. I see this position rejected as closed-minded or ignorant time and time again by people who think that quoting the Bible will make some difference to my stance, when in reality I have read the Bible many times and spent hours discussing and debating its meaning throughout my teen years. I have nothing against people who read the Bible and choose to take it as a definitive life manual, so long as their decision to live that way does not impact my freedom, and the freedom of others.

      In my opinion the man in this video was preyed (not prayed) upon in a time of weakness, and convinced that homosexuality was the cause of all his problems. I would suggest it’s far more likely that drug use and perhaps a high level of promiscuity were far greater problems in his life. Had he settled down with a guy whom he loved and started a family with him, he would be no worse off than he is now. On the contrary, he would be able to live a life where he can be true to himself without the constant need to suppress his own innate sexuality.

    • Brian says:

      Having just spent the past five days in a small, beautifully warm, welcoming and accepting town with thousands of gay men and lesbians, including several close gay friends, all I can say is that jdpaul and other obsessive Bible thumpers know nothing of what they speak. They wouldn’t know a loving, happy person if one walked right up and kissed them. Rather than celebrate love, jdpaul and others like him spend their time telling others how to live. How much misery do these folks experience in their own lives, that they spend 30 minutes, an hour—God knows how long—condemning and judging people they don’t know, compulsively typing quotes from the Bible?

  24. DC says:

    Little is there mentioned of the most important aspect of Adam’s journey that rocked him (and me as well) awake to his spiritual lack of peace – Satan and evil exist. When you recognize that there is a deep fundamental lack of inner peace and you acknowledge that it is the dwelling place despair, you cannot even begin to understand what Adam and the rest of us are testifying to – the loving and redeeming divine power of Jesus The Christ who desires that ALL come to know Him for who He is.

    Everything else is peripheral to that core Truth and I pray that this comment will stir hearts to examine themselves and ask themselves the hard questions – beginning with do I believe that all I am is flesh or do I believe I have a spirit? If I believe I have a spirit, do I know for sure what happens to it when my heart stops beating and I die?

  25. Brent says:

    I think that Adam has really presented the case well. I am saddened by the lack of discussion on the issues he brings up. Agree or disagree, but don’t be so petty and attack the messenger. Deal with the sociological, the theological and the physiological issues he is bringing up.
    The bible is clear it is a sin. I have read the studies and works of those who try and use some form of hermeneutical gymnastics to try and refute what the church has always understood, proclaimed and embraced. There is no serious biblical argument for the normalization of homosexuality.
    The church should exercise church discipline on all who are professing believers as the Word commands so as to isolate rebellion and heresy from the rest of the body, and to turn the unrepentant over to more pain so that they will hopefully repent and be restored to fellowship. There is going to be conflict on the issue in the culture of our day, much as there was in Corinth. But when the church does what the Word says then her integrity is maintained. The door should always be open to those who repent and seek forgiveness, but all unrepentant and ongoing sin will cause us to be quarantined from the forgiven. That is how it should be.
    For those who wish to form some alternate group that believes whatever…that is their choice and God will deal with them. But they should have the decency to not cause division in a community that has a set of core beliefs. If you have a problem with the beliefs…leave and go start your own, don’t be so selfish and hurtful as to bring division to the pre-existing community. True spirit filled believers will never embrace the behavior any more than they will adultery or fornication. Sexual immorality is always destructive to the individuals involved, any children involved and the society as a whole. Homosexuality doesn’t stand alone, there are no redeeming statistics in sexual immorality of any form.

    • Brian says:

      If a longstanding dogma can’t withstand debate, inquiry and logical scrutiny, then perhaps it isn’t worth much.

      • EMILIO MARTINEZ says:


        • John says:

          Brian’s comment – calm and logical.
          Emilio’s comment – wall of beleaguering capitalised cut-and-paste rambling.

          You do your side of the argument no favours, sir.

          • EMILIO MARTINEZ says:


        • Lisa says:

          Simply put, you are wrong about gays and lesbians. God loves and accepts us just as we are. My experience of the Holy Spirit has led me to understand that God delights in love between two people, even if they are both women.

          • EMILIO MARTINEZ says:


          • Lisa says:

            You assume I easily come to this understanding, that my lesbian nature is good in God’s eyes. You question my experience of the Holy Spirit. On both counts you are wrong. Sin is wrong indeed. Being gay is not sin.

          • EMILIO MARTINEZ says:


          • Brian says:

            @ Emilio Martinez: Why the ALL CAPS shouting? Do you really need to yell to get your point across?

            Your statement that “JESUS SHED HIS BLOOD TO REDEEM HOMOSEXUALS AND PAID A PRICE TO SET THEM FREE” is just about the most goofy spin on Christianity I’ve ever heard.

          • EMILIO MARTINEZ says:



          • EMILIO MARTINEZ says:


  26. Emilio Martinez says:




  27. Girl who believes the bible says:

    Excellent video!!!
    Some of us ‘Christians’ need to read the Bible again-Romans ch 1 for example out-right says that Homosexuality is not his plan. I know what it feels like to have strong feelings for the same sex but a strong feeling does not mean that it is God’s plan or that He is ok with it.
    Adam was changed praise God!!!! God came to change us, not to allow us to live the life that is normal to our flesh. Such a shame that we limit God’s power.
    Wow again-what a testimony!!!!!!!

    • John says:

      It doesn’t really seem like “he” changes us at all though. More as though he sets down arbitrary standards which, for a certain few people, require a life of self-hatred and celibacy, and enforces these standards on pain of eternal torture and damnation.

      Say that god actually “changed” Adam – why does he see fit to enlighten Adam, thereby supposedly making heaven accessible to him, while so many gay men and women live out their lives and die without once being “touched by god” in this life-changing way?

      • Emilio Martinez-Perez says:


        Self hatred and celibacy promotes death of the spiritual fruit and the blessing of having children. Read Psalm 127: 3; Galathians 5: 22; Mathew 19: 19. False religions base their faith on human efforts to live by. A truthfull christian rely on what Jesus, God himself, did for us at the cross, dying and resurrecting at the third day, to give us eternal life. No one–including gays or lesbians– will go to hell or get deceived after meeting the Savior of our souls. He has the power to change Adam and YOU and who ever beleives in his Eternal Sacrifice of LOVE. “Changing”, is a matter of FAITH, TRUST, LOVING ourselves and LOVING OTHERS as well. Only God can make us LOVE to live by FAITH and TRUST. AMEN. MAY GOD FILL YOU WITH HIS LOVE AND MAY YOU FIND ANSWERS IN HIS WORD OF TRUTH. STUDY AND READ THE BIBLE WHILE YOU PRAY! GOD BLESS!


  28. Emilio Martinez-Perez says:


    JOHN 8: 32

    “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” John 14: 6


  29. Jewel says:

    This is so incredibly ridiculous…LOL
    He isn’t fooling anyone, let alone himself. He is in fact, gayer than the rhinestones that decorated Liberace’s crotchal region. LOL…
    I have many a wonderful gay friend. And I think they’re just fine the way they ARE.
    Stop kidding yourself if your gay, my god, then be GAY. There’s nothing wrong with it. Making a gay person straight, is as possible as making a straight person gay. So stop fucking trying to play god, and say who should be what. I just think that after so much time its still hilarious how the crazy jesus freaks are so apt to judge others, on SO MANY different levels, when they aren’t perfect themselves.
    Religion in that nature (usually Christians sorry), is nothing more than a spiritual scape goat to make your guilty conscience feel better in the good ol’ end because in that religion, no matter how BAD of a person you are, as long as you “repent”, you’re good with god. That’s like playing monopoly as a child, and saying the words: “DO OVER!” just because you screwed up on your turn (At life in this case), and you want to make it right.
    Judgment in any case, SHOULD and is decided by a persons damn heart, the person you are in YOUR life, how you treat others, not by gender, sexual preference, or the damn food you eat.
    If you’re a rapist, a killer, a pedophile, or the like, why the hell should someone like that be given forgiveness? A second chance? That’s ridiculous! THOSE people seem like the perfect candidates for a one way ticket to devils best suite. LOL…
    Murderers, killers, pedophiles, child molesters, abusers, THOSE people deserve scrutiny. Not regular life living people, that decide they prefer women instead of men, or vise versa.

    Out of curiosity.., If any one of you god fearing people (funny, the word “fearing“. Just seems a tad redundant. I digress…) If any one of you, by chance needed quick medical attention: Say you were in need of some form of cerebral surgery, and it was a 50% chance of living, very risky to say the least. And the surgeon that just happened to have saved your life in such a feat, be it female or male, did it with the utmost care and devotion for you as a person and your family. But there was a catch: your doctor was gay…

    Now– Before you make your little thoughtful decision, take a second to think this over.
    This doctor, as a person, and a life saving being, JUST saved your life. Gave you a chance to be with your family, your loved ones, rather than perish.
    Would you still tell this wonderful person that just gave you a second chance, that unless they changed their sinning ways, they were going to go to hell?

    Now for those of you who decided to answer that question without reading it, and simply stopped at the word “gay” and made your choice, you are god damn ridiculous, and deserve to be removed from this earth quicker than the idiots that read the whole question, and decided the latter…LOL

    For those of you who read it, and actually thought about it for a second and actually considered the thought, but still decided that the surgeon should Suffer in hell unless he/she changed their sexually sinning ways, then all that really means… Is that you should be eliminated no sooner than the people who didn’t read the whole question once they saw the word “gay“ come into par…LOL
    Those of you with that point of view, that narrow minded point of view, deserve everything you believe in.
    And I truly hope it comes for you.
    Because as no one is perfect, neither are you, and judging those who take pride in being different in good ways, are better than the self righteous people that think otherwise.

    All in all, I have nothing to fear in the end, and neither do my good gay friends. I know that I am a good person with faults. I know what’s in my heart, as does god. There should be no fear in god, on any level. If you are honestly good, but with quarks; what is there to fear? Nothing.
    If you are a bad person, that does seriously horrible things, of course you’re going to fear.
    After all, you yourself can‘t quite deny even these words:

    “Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone.”
    Life doesn’t have to be perfect. It just has to be lived.
    (Lighten up you self righteous asses…)

  30. Emilio Martinez-Perez says:


    Give your excuses to God when the time to give him account of your deeds come. You are not called to play God either, by saying who can or who can not change after having a sinful life, as a “gay” or as a “straight” person.

    Straight or Gays–both groups– need Jesus! We NEED JESUS to GUIDE and SHOW US the WAY to HEAVEN!

    “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.: John 14: 6


    • Jewel says:

      My excuses? I have none as you can plainly see. But people like you seem to have many to hide behind.
      And I never acted out the fact that I was ever playing god as people of your low stature seem to do, but thank you for assuming so, I am flattered. lol

      I simply stated that if you’re going to dictate who you “think” is going to hell or heaven just because certain people are GAY or LESBIAN, its incredibly ridiculous on your behalf, and all else. They shouldn’t be plagiarized for their personal preference in life, and told they are sinners if they are indeed good people in their hearts and do right by others and themselves.

      In a religion where good hearted people are being cast as unforgiving sinners just because of their sexual prowess, and killers and pedophiles get to ask for forgiveness and receive it from god, Well— its a bunch of silly nonsensical gibber if you ask me.

      If you are a bad person, BAD in your heart, and you do HORRIBLE things on a grand scale, then I think you will ultimately be judged in the end, by your own doings.

      If you are a god loving man or woman, that cares for their family, makes normal mistakes in life and believes in god but happens to be gay or lesbian, what right do YOU have to take that away from them due to who they make love to?
      That is clear and utter debauchery on your self righteous behalf. All of you, and all the people that think that so. (Which is everyone in your religion basically)
      A person is who they are, and I don’t think that this “God” is such a selfish god, that he would deny his children just BECAUSE they are gay or lesbian, if he knew in their HEARTS that they loved him just as much as the next straight person.
      I personally think that you all are selling your “God” short of what he is capable of doing if this is your small minded reality.
      Think what you want really, I personally don’t care. But damning people for what they are, isn’t going to get you or your happy little neighbor into heaven any sooner on a “good deed“ of ratting out all the gays. lol

      So long as your heart is giving, loving, pure and good, and God knows this, you are ALLOWED to have faults and mistakes in life and you are right in his eyes.

      If you are soulless and kill without reason, hurt without care, or molest the innocent then THAT is something to worry about, THAT should have to need some heavy duty repenting for, if you can achieve it at all.

      Not the quarks that make us all human. Not the individuality that makes us who we are as people.
      Being gay is not a sin. Being a bad person with bad intent is.
      And judging gets no one anywhere…
      All people like you can do, is toss little psalms at people. Keep hiding behind what you think is right.
      Religion itself is the largest cause for war and famine around the world, for centuries. And sadly, its people like you… Who show people like me, that small minded humans will never see past their noses to the big picture…

      We are here to live our life, and walk a good and loving path. No one is without fault, and the faults we have sometimes cannot be helped or cured. So long as we are good at heart, and undoubted mean well, we are good in death…

      As for me, I like to think of my god as a better being than everyone gives credit to.
      He isn’t a petty god who is going to judge a person by their drinking habits, their sexual partners, the food they eat, the words they speak, the love they make… He judges them by their hearts and the heaviness of their true value of devotion to him.
      If we all went to hell for all the things people like you point the finger over, then we’d all be doing just that darling… We’d ALL being going to hell. And that includes you my dear.
      As I said. No ones perfect. Its your heart and state of mind that sets you free.
      If god was really as critical and condoning as the christian people make him out to me, well— He’d be the devil, wouldn’t he. And that he is not.

      (He deserves a little nicer of a picture than you all paint him out to be…)

      • Emilio Martinez- Perez says:

        You have self rejection issues and it is obvious when you express cynically “people “with slow stature like me.” Anger, bitternes and unbelieve is precisely the consequenses of living a sinful life– and it is the outcome reflection of your comment–. May you find healing to your emotional wounds in the name of Jesus. Amen.

        Nothing is hidden before God!

        God bless!

        • Jewel says:

          Self rejection issues, you say?
          I honestly couldn’t be any farther from what you accuse if I tried. lol
          If you must know, my life is actually incredibly peaceful, but thank you again for assuming the worst, oh holy Emilio…LOL
          I have a loving family, a mother I speak with every day, a wonderful fiance whom I’ve known now for 9 wonderful years, two wonderful dogs and two cats and our idea of a good night is watching movies together, reading, and making dinner together.
          We both work our honest jobs, he as a restaurant manager and I a cashier, and come home to each other and are happy to do so every night.
          And I lack these “emotional wounds” that you speak of, but I do in fact find healing in many a thing, whether it be watering my plants, tending to my dogs or creating candles and oils.
          Music is also quite therapeutic and healing, as are crystals and stones, and so is love…
          I suggest you yourself find some of that my dear… ;)
          I adore my life and what’s in it and around me, and I will continue to enjoy it.
          What’s sad is yes, people like you… Who are forever busy telling people like me, what’s wrong with them, when in jest you truly have no idea. =)
          I wish you the kind of peaceful beautiful wellness that I possess dear Emilio…
          For you seem to need peace much more than I… ;)

          • John says:

            First of all I’m not here to disagree with anything you said – I agree with 90% of it wholeheartedly. However I’m not sure how it holds up against the “Dialog, not Debate” rules, and most of it seems to be one-upping rather than well-considered points.

            On a website like this people with the views that you and I hold are in the minority, and we do ourselves no favours by making points in a petty or convoluted way, laughing at others or completely misusing words (plagiarise, prowess, debauchery, quarks, condoning, etc)

            This kind of thing is all well and good in a different setting, but doing a little lurking before posting never hurts, and the majority of dialog that takes place here is thoughtful and considerate.

          • EMILIO MARTINEZ says:

            I am not trying to compete or compare your “quality level life” with mine. In fact, I have more in my life than I deserve, If you need to get informed. I am just pointing obectively your angry, bitter, disrispectful expressions toward christian people opinions and convictions as Adam has in this video testimony. Examine yourself and re read your comments.


            And once in a while, while you water your plants or feed your cats take a time to read your Bible as you enlighten your candles. God bless! Peace!

  31. benjamin ady says:

    Can help bumping this to 199 comments =P. Every gay person I know ROCKS in the awesomest possible way.

    • Brian says:

      And YOU rock in the awesomest possible way for taking a moment to say that.

      (In contrast to some of the “Christians” who post here saying they have “gay friends” but haven’t got an ounce of respect for these so-called friends, and who walk around their whole lives feeling superior to gay people.)

  32. newlife2010 says:

    What was said really ministered to me and strengthened my hope. Now I won’t give up.

    I never doubted God could give me sexual desire for women, but it sure encourages me
    seeing it happen for someone else.

    This guy’s message may rub some people the wrong way, but for those who have an ear to hear, it brings deliverance.

    Also, some men may never have sexual feelings for women, but this does not auomatically make one gay. It’s not unheard of for people to devote their lives entirely to serve God, other people, or another cause an have fulfillment and pleasure that way.

    • Brian says:

      With all due respect, newlife2010, I think that those who have an ear to hear—and a nose for hollow prognostication—can tell that Adam is trying way too hard. He has lived a troubled life, and he’s been brainwashed into believing that his being gay is the cause of it. He wants with every fiber of his being to buy into the myth that he can—and should—be someone that he’s not. (Read all of Queereverend’s brilliantly insightful comments, above.)

      Why? Because the believers of a certain narrow spin on Christ’s teachings says that Adam is not a good or whole person just the way he is. These believers are supported by powerful institutions filled with others like him (hello, Catholic priests!) who want to believe, just as desperately as Adam does, that their godliness is somehow tied to their ability to eschew their same-sex attraction. It’s really a ridiculous and arbitrary belief system, but when you back it up with centuries of mind-control through guilt, body shame and asceticism, it works wonders on gaining power over the masses.

      The God I know doesn’t care if Adam is gay or not. The God I know wants Adam to be happy and to give and receive love. The people who seek to brainwash Adam are simply seeking validation for their own bigotry and self-denial.

      To your final point: No, it’s not unheard of for people to devote their lives entirely to serve God, other people, or another cause and have fulfillment and pleasure that way. Many of the GAY people I know are doing precisely that!


        Is not ‘self denial’ it is sin, Brian. Jesus told us to repent from our ways–inlcuding sinful sexual behavior. Adam recognizes, convinced from a true authority (Jesus, God himself) that he is a sinner. We all sin in life but we have a door in Jesus to escape from the snare of the sinful, twisted and lustful sexual ways of this world.

        “I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.” John 10: 9

        Take the pasture of the Lord Jesus and come to repentance! Amen. Much love in Him,


        • Brian says:

          Emilio wrote:

          > Adam recognizes, convinced from a true authority (Jesus, God himself) that he is a sinner.

          The “authority” by which Adam has been “convinced” is not God or Jesus, who have never said anything about homosexuality. The self-loathing Adam has been taught is entirely the result of brainwashing by human beings who have a myopic focus on certain passages of a book that has been edited, translated and mistranslated by people with political agendas, over centuries.

        • Johan says:

          I think the key distinction here is that Adam and you (please correct me if I’m wrong on this) identify homosexuality with a lifestyle of debauchery, drug abuse, sexual promiscuity, and a general lack of morality.

          Others, including Brian and myself, have either seen or personally experienced otherwise. I have; I’m gay. So let me tell you a few things about “our ways.”

          The majority of us reject drug abuse, much like straight folks. Our community has a higher incidence of drug abuse and dependency, but the increased incidence is actually comparable to the historical and contemporary experiences of other marginalized groups.

          It’s also been my experience that most gays and lesbians have the same desire for love and commitment that most straight folks do. Yes, it’s possible that more gay and lesbian couples have non-traditional ideas and values around sex and sexual behavior. I’d argue that comes from the historically exclusionary behavior of society more than anything else. If you’re going to tell people that simply because they’re gay, they’re damned to hell for not following your god’s rules, why should those folks continue to place much weight in the rest of what your god says.

          Interestingly enough, my own personal experience has shown me that the more accepting a gay or lesbian individual’s family is of them, the more likely they are to hold on to the core values they grew up with. When I was nineteen, newly out and just beginning to date, I was very much surprised by my then boyfriend when he said he wanted to wait to find the right person before having sex. When I asked him to clarify, he said he meant the person he’d spend the rest of his life with. That blew my mind, because I had grown up believing that gay men were universally promiscuous, so naturally I assumed I was just weird for not wanting to be promiscuous. It was nice to know I wasn’t the only one.

          As to a general lack of morality, I say this: there are plenty of gays and lesbians among some of the most God-fearing and moral people I have ever met. It’s hard for me to comprehend how the idea of immorality has stuck so uniquely and long to a community that’s largely opposed to war and the death penalty, goes out of it’s way to make sure sick folks receive the care and nutrition they need, and generally seeks to improve the world in which we all live.

          We all struggle with sin. Sexual orientation is not sin. You’d do well to go re-read the words of Jesus. He offers no condemnation of homosexuals nor does any part of the Bible condemn loving and committed relationships between two men or two women.

  33. Bill says:

    One can only assume, based on some of the comments posted here, that those who attempt to make their case against homosexuals, are without sin, yet they break God’s greatest comandment. Love God and love thy neighbor as thyself. (Para) Love is the over-riding theme of the Bible.
    As Jesus said, “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone”.

    Meditation: Gog is God… and you are not.

  34. Thank you Adam for sharing your story. God is Great he also has taken me from homosexuality. I know you are not tripping on drugs you are Tripping out on the Holy Spirit. I am so Glad you are speaking out. I have seen and met 100′s of people that have left homosexuality for Holiness and are leaving a very great life. Anything is possible through Christ Jesus! May God Bless you! Also for the Haters I want to let you know “I LOVE YOU!”

    Director of By Grace Ministries
    Benjamin Hood

    • Zeke says:

      God indeed is Great. Not only did he save me from my homosexuality but he also saved me from my blackness, my brown eyedness AND my left handedness. I’m still praying that he’ll save me from my taste for the abominations of ham, shrimp and catfish but I’ve got some more praying to do before I am fully delivered from those sins.

      It would probably help me if I was getting paid to pretend I do these things and promote the idea that others should do it to.

      Benjamin can you give me some pointers on how you and the others set up your “ministries” so that I can turn my neuroses into a cash cow like you. That would probably the motivation that I need to become absolutely and perfectly righteous like you and Adam. Praise the Lord and hallelujah. I would go ahead and type in tongues but I don’t know how to spell in tongues. Maybe you could help me learn that too?

      • Benjamin says:

        I just want to let you know I am not here to argue. Also its not a “Cash Cow” I do not recive any money for what I do I have to work like anyone else. I love you and respect your Ideas their are yours to keep I just know what the lord has done in my life as well as many others and I know that my God can do anything he likes to do! I am not sure if you are a Christian or not but I know That my God is greater than any insult that anyone can dish out. May God bless you and I pray that you become closer to him!

        Love your brother in Christ

        Benjamin Hood

  35. Emilio Martinez- Perez says:

    Praise Jesus for all the testimonies I have read, which has exalted the work of the Holy Spirit through Adam and the rest o men, that has commented to edifify and confirm it in their own lifes. God bless your all! Keep on trusting and pressing toward the goal in JesusChrist the Lord! AMEN.

  36. Kerry says:

    Homosexuality is clearly condemned by the Bible. It goes against the created order of God. He created Adam and then made a woman. This is what God has ordained and it is what is right. Unlike other sins, homosexuality has a severe judgment administered by God Himself. This judgment is simple: They are given over to their passions. That means that their hearts are allowed to be hardened by their sins (Romans 1:18ff). As a result, they can no longer see the error of what they are doing. Without an awareness of their sinfulness, there will be no repentance and trusting in Jesus. Without Jesus, they will have no forgiveness. Without forgiveness, there is no salvation.

    • Brian says:

      Kerry wrote about gay people:

      > They are given over to their passions. That means that their hearts are allowed to be hardened by their sins.

      This kind of judgment of other people’s love is absolutely despicable. I’m sickened by this kind of hate speech from people who call themselves Christians.

      If you want to talk about “hardened” hearts, take a look at your own, Kerry. And read the comments, below, by Chad.

    • Ed-M says:

      Kerry wrote about gay people:

      They are given over to their passions. That means that their hearts are allowed to be hardened by their sins (Romans 1:18ff). As a result, they can no longer see the error of what they are doing. Without an awareness of their sinfulness, there will be no repentance and trusting in Jesus. Without Jesus, they will have no forgiveness. Without forgiveness, there is no salvation.

      Kerry, are you willing to say this to a gay 13 y.o. boy who’s just realised his natural homosexuality despite being a committed Christian who was brought up in a Christian household???

      You probably would! No wonder a lot of gay men quit Christianity!

  37. Chad says:

    Well, I have to tell you all something:

    I loved God and Jesus and have put my faith in His Holy Wisdom my whole life. I have absolutely no faith left in Christians.

    After seeing this pathetic video and the subsequent “Christian” dialogue behind it, I feel certain that each of these hypocrites and false prophets will stand with me in Judgment. There is a place in Hell for all who spread hate in the name of Jesus. The people representing themselves as Christians on this site are no more than Lucifer himself in disguise. The Bible warns us all of false prophets, and this site is nothing more than a portal to the Devil’s heart.

    I will be praying for all of you while you here at this site PREY on minorities and the meek of the Earth.

    I would also remind Emilio Martinez-Perez that his name sounds Mexican. If he is, in fact, a Mexican, Leviticus states that I may possess him as a slave from a neighboring country. Please don’t be mad at me–Be mad at the word of God.

  38. C K says:

    “There is a place in Hell for all who spread hate in the name of Jesus.”

    Oh yes, allow me to name but a few of these hell holes:

    The denominational churches of the ages.
    Every second of every war in the name of religion.
    Every Crusade of the age of the Inquisitions
    Every Christian witch hunt in European history.
    The French Wars of Religion (1562–98)
    The Reconquista. The thirty year war between German States, Scandinavia and Poland
    The Heavenly Kingdom on Earth a.k.a. the Taiping rebellion, which the Guinness Book of World Records calls the “bloodiest civil war” with some 20 million estimated dead
    Zionist occupation of Palestine since 1948 and so on and so forth.

    Peace be on earth.

  39. Joel McCulla says:

    Seriously there is one simple solution:

    I’ve said it before and obviously it needs saying again:

    You don’t like it… then have nothing to do with it, stay out of other peoples lives and choices!

    Do you think that when a gay individual is growing up, they think to themselves… “You know what it’s certainly an easier lifestyle to succumb to my instincts and admire and fascinate myself with the same sex”…? The ignorance of Christians on this point can sometimes be sickening. It’s not a choice, and to follow through and live your life as a gay man is not the easy path to take.

    To this day ridicule, anger resentment and disgust still exists in communities, and with in families themselves. Easy is not sitting across from your own family, your flesh and blood and see disgust in their eyes, and hear hatred in their words, all over something that feels as natural as breathing? To have to spend years attempting to console and smooth the holes in a family, such a coming out causes?

    Then after all that battle, and all that heart ache, when you finally find someone else in this world you can relate to, who loves you, and you love them, to have the wider communities, communities who are meant to be founded on love, and forgiveness, and the better treatment of mankind in general, tell you that the relationship shall not count like any of its heterosexual couternances, for what you have found is not love in their eyes but depravity.

    Begin exercising humility, love, forgiveness and compassion Christian Soldiers, harbouring hate and disgust for ANY of your fellow man, for THEIR choices in life is truly the path to hell, and hell is not a place I would even wish upon you despite the segregation you continue to foster in our world.

    • Paul says:

      Hi Joel,

      You said ‘(Many Christians) “tell you that the relationship shall not count like any of its heterosexual couternances, for what you have found is not love in their eyes but depravity”. I think many people in the Church have an exclusive attitude to sexual sin.
      In this sense its ‘phobic’ in some areas and permissive in others (ie: allowing divorce and remarriage). However, it is possible for a Gay couple to live without sex after a while. Lets be honest Joel, as a (same sex attracted/Gay male) I know that sex inside a relationship either dies or is kept alive by perverted means (videos, three-somes, promiscuity outside the relationship). Even studies done by pro Gay groups recognise that monogomy for homosexuals is rare after a few months or years. Therefore, I say gay people should live in emotionally supportive ways but remain chaste and ‘celibate’. You have also stated that there is hate. That isn’t necessarily so. Christians work with sinners in many sexual areas, prostitution, serial adulterers, sex addicts. Do they have to be ‘non judgemental here too? I pray God may bless you Joel. It took me 15 years of active Gay lifestyle and failed relationships before I realised God was calling me to leave that life (which was harmful to me and others) and live calling sin what it is, ‘sin’. candy coating sexual sin does not make it anything else. However, love is possible between men but sex is not.

      You also said “Begin exercising humility, love, forgiveness and compassion Christian Soldiers, harbouring hate and disgust for ANY of your fellow man is wrong”. Calling something which hurts and harms people is not hate. It is not disgust. Don’t confuse “judging with right judgement” (which is biblical) with hate. However, it may take time to discover the way God wants to help and work with us in his Grace.

      Men can love without having to perform sex acts on one another. Two men can commit to love and support one another without trying to live as ‘man and wife do’.

  40. Patrick says:

    Wow… I mean here’s someone testifying about how Jesus delivered them out of darkness, forgave them and gave them a new life, and people are discrediting him, twisting scripture, slandering and arguing. Nice.
    I have a problem with people who declare homosexuality is some peculiar evil or great sin because it’s listed in the NT with a bunch of other sins. (try 1 Cor 6:9,10). And I have a problem with those who deny it’s wrong… because it’s listed in the NT with a bunch of other sins.

    Jesus saves, delivers, and heals. Why the arguments?

  41. Paul says:

    I agree with you Patrick. Celibacy is the answer but calling sin OK is never God’s way.

    May God be blessed forever.

  42. Patrick says:

    Celibacy? What about genuine conversion and deliverance? Adam is testifying how Jesus changed him from the inside out. He recognized the root issues and their fruit (in his case rejection, drugs and sexual immorality) and judged them accurately for what they were.
    Once he stepped into the light, God not only forgave him, but re-wired His original intent back into his formerly broken life. It’s another facet in the miracle that is salvation and a relationship with a risen savior.

    God is huge. Far bigger than our sin and rebellion, and all He’s really asking for is transparency and a willingness to continue in truth.



      • FULCRUM says:

        CONVERSION — FROM WHAT? You people are so self-satisfied.

        Your being straight (I assume) is no more of an accomplishment – then your being brunette or blond. There is nothing to convert from. There is nothing wrong with his sexuality — and please let me assure you that he is NOT straight. He is seriously in need of help and not the kind that you people are offering. His issue is with drugs, alcohol and promiscuity.

        You are deluded just as he is deluded.

        And the kicker is that you sit back so arrogantly and think you are better — that you KNOW better – cuz you are good christians. Your worlds are so narrow and so convenient and so easy — as long as it all fits nicely in your box.

        Get an education outside of the bible and you will see the world isn’t as black and white as you think. There is a reason Christian extremists hate science and non-christians. Very human reasons. They fear the unknown and they fear a truth that will contradict what they want to believe.

        Open the bible and you will see story after story — that were once taken literally and now — we know better and NO ONE is that dumb– so Christians now say – no no — not literal — just figuratively. YEAH NOW. Before. LITERAL.

        And it’s not really because SHELLFISH EATING WILL SEND YOU TO HELL.

  43. Patrick says:

    Fulcrum… you need to take a deep breath and assess all the accusations you’re throwing around.

    Conversion = change. The change Jesus brings is deep in the heart, the soul of an individual. it is different for everyone but everyone needs it. Christians are not self-satisfied; they are God satisfied. Huge difference.

    Christians don’t hate non-christians or science. They don’t commit intellectual suicide or simplify the world to Fortune Cookie cliches or Precious Moments storyboard.

    Jesus wants to help you. Let Him.

    • Fulcrum says:

      I assure you if you believe that someone is gay or lesbian because it is a choice or an event that they “can be, need to be, or should be” cured from you are hateful. Whether you wrap in what you think is love. Maybe you aren’t throwing rocks or resorting to violence – but the sort of hatred that stems from the deepest ignorance. And no – I don’t throw that word lightly — but I do figuratively throw the word the igorance — by its literal definition. YOU WOULD BE WITHOUT THE INFORMATION.

      God-satisfied. Yes — this is another term for self-satisfied. You are made whole, pure, warm etc – in the knowledge of His will, wants, love, direction — and yes — it makes you smug. It makes you smug to think that a person that is born one way can PRAY their way to change. Adam has not prayed his way to change – he has prayed his way into fear — of repeating a pattern of behavior. And his problematic behavior was not his sexual orientation — which is hardwired. It is in his poor life choices.

      Why is homosexuality the only CONDITION or DISEASE that’s ONLY KNOWN CURE is prayer.

      It is as ridiculous a concept as your message. I don’t mean that to be rude. I just mean that to be observational.

      And I do think you are intellectually ignorant if you believe any portion of the bible’s take on life science. This is the same institution that killed – YES – killed people for believing the world is FLAT and for the observation that the world travels around the sun. If religious leaders weren’t intellectually ignorant – they’d have embraced countless things instead of preaching about flat worlds, earthly centered universes, Adam and Eve and the rest of the stories that were literally made up and based on amalgam of countless other religious that predated the invention of Christianity.

  44. Alex Mullins says:

    As a born-again, Bible-believing Christian, I find adam Hood’s comments to be right on. Many on this forum display angree toward Adam Hood. Don’t shoot the messenger folks! Direct your anger towards God and His Word, the Bible. God, through His only begotten Son, Jesus Christ can free all sinners from their sin, even homo-sexuals. Once we accept him as our Personal Saviour, the Bible says, His Holy Spirit moves in to guide us, to point out our sin and to convict us of and shows us the way toward perfection, in His sight. None of will see absolute perfection, in anyone walking this Earth but we will see sold-out, on fire, believers trying their best to deal with sin on a moment-by-moment basis as they live to please God, not hurt, torment and anger Him. Adam Hood is like one of those “Danger Ahead – Bridge Out” signs you see on a country road in the middle of a cold, rainy night. Sure, you can ignore it and proceed full speed ahead but there will be a price to pay. That is what we, as Bible Christians are commanded to do, warn others and show them how they too can be saved. It’s beautiful thing.

    • Brian says:

      I think what people are angry about is the arrogance of so-called Christians who are trying to tell Adam, and other gay people, how they should live. People are angry when they see the stereotypes and judgments that so many so-called Christians unquestioningly make about gay people. People are angry when they see how Bible-thumpers have gotten to Adam, who is clearly a troubled and vulnerable soul, and convinced him that his homosexuality is the cause of his problems–rather than his drug addiction, sex addiction, narcissism and perhaps other mental problems. People are angry when they see so-called Christians belittling gay people’s love, and using religious-based bigotry to demean an entire population group and deny them their basic human rights.

      Notice I use the term “so-called Christians.” I believe that people who truly understand the message of Christ would not do these things.

      • Ashuhlee says:

        Basic human rights don’t include the right to marriage. At all. I believe the constitution gives us the God-given rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. John Locke said, “Life, Liberty and Property.” The right to marry was never specified. You can say “marriage” goes under the pursuit of happiness and I can agree to a certain extent. But neither heterosexuals or homosexuals should claim marriage as a “right”.

        • Brian says:

          Basic human rights include the right to live one’s life without discrimination and threat of violence simply for being who you are. Yet in 29 US states, it is still perfectly legal to fire someone for being gay. And although we finally have a federal Hate Crimes Law (thank you, Congress and President Obama), anti-gay violence is still unfortunately very common. The climate for this violence is primarily fueled by extremist religions and by right-wing “Christian” groups–like the Christian Coalition, the Focus on the Family, and the American Family Association–who persist in using religious-based bigotry to demonize gay people. Just this week, Focus on the Family was arguing AGAINST school anti-bullying programs. These so-called Christians are actually defending the right to beat up gay kids!

          Even if civil marriage is not a fundamental human right, consider that it comes with 1,138 automatic benefits, such as rights to pensions, hospital visitation, health care decision-making, insurance benefits, tax breaks, property transfer, etc. (http://gaylife.about.com/od/samesexmarriage/a/benefits.htm) I have yet to hear a rational justification why an entire group of tax-paying Americans should be denied these rights and benefits.

          • Fulcrum says:

            yeah that would be because – as you already know – there ain’t one.


            You can’t say – I’m a Christian so I don’t have to rent to a JEW.

            But you can say that about a gay person.

            And it is people like this – that are always 50 years behind history. — We couldn’t abolish slavery when the Declaration of Independence was signed because of the SOUTH… Civil Rights – SOUTH —

            These are the same people.

            Inter-racial marriage — Goes against God’s Plan — SAME PEOPLE.

            Yes — IT IS “A BEAUTIFUL THING” when you live your life in a bubble believing you are better than everyone else… UGH!!

  45. Alex says:

    Marriage is a right and a priviledge where I live, and for those who believe, it is ordained by God. My Bible is, very much, pro-marriage and pro-family. If more fathers would read God’s Word, believe it and take it seriously, there would be a lot less sin in the world.We are commanded to be Christ-like, aware that we will not achieve it until we get to Heaven to be with Him.

    That is what we need to be striving for, however. Trying our best to speak in love, to love the sinner and hate the sin, whatever that sin may be.

    • Brian says:

      Whatever you believe about religious marriage, the fact is that in the United States, marriage is a civil contract. Just like any other civil contract, there is no logical reason that an entire class of people should be excluded from the benefits that contract confers. We do not live in a theocracy.

      You think we should be more Christ-like? Christ said not a word about homosexuality. The whole “love the sinner hate the sin” construct, which nowadays is almost always used in the context of judging gay people, is unbelievably arrogant. It simply provides a rationalization for some people to feel superior to others, and to keep others down. Not very Christ-like.

      • Ashuhlee says:

        Love the sinner, hate the sin is used to describe everything from stealing to lying and even hetero-sexual pre-marital sex, as far as I’m concerned. Obviously gay marriage is such a huge issue with everyone here. The bigotry isn’t specific to just “Christians” anymore, it’s also to those who “demonize” Bible-believing “Christians.” If the table can’t be turned both ways, as it obviously is currently just against “Christians” right now, then there’s no point in arguing. Both sides are obsolete. Christians can accept gays for who they are, while still not condoning their personal lives. And Christians should also accept the criticism when they stray from what Jesus would want. We’re all sinners. And God loves us. And he hates our sins.

        • John says:

          I’m going to go out on a limb here and say that most gay people don’t care whether Christians “love” them, or “approve” of their personal lives. What gay people want is to be given the same rights and respect as any other human, and left alone.

          I love you Ashuhlee, but I don’t approve of your religion – in fact I hate it. And I don’t condone or agree with your right to practice it. I think the fact that you practice religion makes you less of a good person than me.

          OK, that’s not true, I think you should be able to practice religion if you want. But do you see how little a “I love you” from a stranger helps when it’s combined with such thinly veiled phobia or even bile?

          • Ashuhlee says:

            To be quite honest, your argument is completely invalid. I never said that homosexuals were any less “good” than I am. All fall short of the glory and I never claimed to be some spotless person. And, if you hate me and my “religion”, that’s your bias. I’ll never change that. But if you honestly think that your disapproval is going to make me say one way or the other, you’re wrong. Being able to marry isn’t a right. And, according to our constitution, we are endowed by our CREATOR with certain inalienable rights. What the creator says goes. If He gives, He can take away. I’ve said my peace.

          • Brian says:

            John was simply making a point, using irony to show the ridiculousness of some of the things some so-called Christians say about gays. I think his point is completely valid, and right on target. He didn’t say he hates you or your religion. Read the comment again.

            Your statement that “what the creator says goes” is interesting. A more accurate statement would be “what I SAY the creator says, goes.”

            My God wants gay people to have equal rights.

          • John says:

            Thank you for explaining, Brian. I had started writing a reply but some things are just painful to have to explain.

            To clarify, Ashuhlee, I don’t hate you, and I don’t love you either. I just want to co-exist.

          • John says:

            Also interesting how you assumed I was talking about marriage when I mentioned “rights and respect”. The issue spreads further than that. Anyway, let’s say marriage is a “privilege” and not a right. Are you saying that straight people deserve the privilege of getting married and gay people don’t? Almost sounds like you think straight people are superior…

    • Fulcrum says:

      It amazes me how ignorant and convenient so many people of FAITH’s arguments are…

      “Marriage is a privilege and a right” — well – it can’t be both dude. Grab a dictionary.

      Also – all marriages in this country are civil marriages. LEGALLY SPEAKING — If Jodie Lynn and Billy Bubb went to the church and had ONLY a religious ceremony – they would not be legally married in the eyes of the law. They must first apply for and be granted a marriage license by the state. This is a CIVIL matter – they simply use the word marry.

      Separation of Church and State — allows freedrom FROM religion as much as it allows for freedom of religion.

      And for Asshulee — the bible says many things. It says you can’t eat freakin shellfish — or you will go to Hell. It says your neighbors can be made slaves. It says women are property. It says women can’t touch meat while on their period for they are unclean. The bible says a lot of stuff. I’ll only respect you if you are also blogging away on the NOSHELLFISH or HELLFISH sites and the MAKE MY NEIGHBOR A SLAVE.COM

      If not – you are nothing more than a brainwashed Godzombie — happily eating your own freakin brain.

      But I still love all you shellfish-eating-hell-doomed-sinners — I just hate your sin.

      Adam Hood is a fraud.

      The rest of you – are simply wrong and bigoted.

      Enjoy your narrow world view.

      If you are gonna live by the words of the Creator — live by them all. Otherwise shut up. And then also — live your own life and stay out of other peoples.

  46. Alex says:

    God’s word is what it is folks! It is apparent that many have misinterpreted this precious word, ignored it’s truths, or it could be that they simply don’t care. It is true, homosexuality is a sin and it is described as such in the Bible. The same Bible tells how Jesus Christ came to Earth as man and die on the cross for our sin, past present and future. He provides for us, the free gift of eternal life and a way for us to be free of the bondage of all sin, including homosexuality. A very good website that explains man;s dilemma and a solution to the problem is http://www.biblebelievers.com
    Man has the free-will choice how he will live but there is a way to be saved. Accept Christ as your Personal Savior, become a scholar of His Word and do your best to live for Him, day by day. You will not be perfect, but you will be saved. Millions who have rejected Him and His word are dieing each day and going to a Christless eternity in The Lake fo Fire (Hell. It doesn’t have to be that way. Accept him today, by simple faith, and you will see all sin, including homosexuality, in a different light. Without confession and repentence, their can be no forgiveness. Accept Him today, as your Saviour, and be saved. People, just like Adam Hood, are being saved from their sin every day and you can be also.

    • Brian says:

      Alex wrote: “God’s word is what it is folks!”

      The fact is, though, that Christians are always picking and choosing which parts of the Bible to follow. And they spend WAY TOO MUCH TIME on the parts that allegedly talk about homosexuality. Not to even mention the fact that the Bible has been edited, changed, translated and mis-translated over millennia, based on the political forces of the day.

      Reminds me of a clever thing I read long ago, when Dr. Laura was saying all kinds of anti-gay things.

      Dear Dr. Laura,
      Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God’s Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind him that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.
      I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to best follow them.
      When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odour for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odour is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
      I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
      I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev. 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.
      Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can’t I own Canadians?
      I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?
      A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Lev. 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don’t agree. Can you settle this?
      Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?
      Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.19:27. How should they die?
      I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
      My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? (Lev.24:10-16) Couldn’t we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev.20:14)
      I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God’s word is eternal and unchanging.
      - Your devoted disciple and adoring fan.

      • Alex says:

        My response to this would be that, since God sent his only begotten Son, Jesus Christ to die on a cross for our sin, buried, rose again to sit at His Father’s right hand, we no longer live under the law of the Old Testament but we now live ubder the grace that comes from God alone. For those of us who have accepted God’s free gift of eternal life through Jesus Christ, we now have the indwelling Holy Spirit to guide and direct us and to convict us of our sin. Once you become “saved” it will become crystal clear that you no longer live under the law that Old Testament believers were subjected to.

        No more of those Old Testament laws to abide by. This is a more excellent way and it is free and available to all who will accept it. You can be free of all your sin, homosexuality, drugs, promiscuous sexual activity included if you will only believe and turn from your self-destruction.

        The end result of not accepting this free gift of eternal life and freedom from the guilt of sin, in an eternity of undescribable pain and suffering in the Lake of Fire.

        I urge you to accept Him today as your Personal Savior and begin the new life of studying His Word and pleasing Him.

        It is too simple. Find a local Bible-believing church, talk to the Pastor. It is a process that requires, first, a decision to do it, then a committment to become a student of the Bible and begin your growth as a Christ-follower.

        There is nothing like it on Earth folks.

        • Fulcrum says:

          And nothing controls people like fear.

          This and all that u speak of I’d about fear.

          Fear of being wrong and free of being on fire in some lake. FOREVER.

          And u still think these stories are real?

          You will burn in Hell Forever because u loved and cared for and were
          manogamous with a person of the same gender?

          That is absolutely ridiculous. These stories are made to control you.
          And the elation u feel after being saved is no different than if you
          had a near death experience and made it through. You would actually
          feel it.

          It’s so sad that power hungry men that died thousands of years ago are
          still controlling you.

          • Alex says:

            If I live my life believing and pleasing Him as my Creator and Personal Savior and find at the end, I was wrong, I have lost nothing.

            If you have lived your miserable life in sin, not acknowledging Him as your Creator and Personal Savior and find at the end, that you were wrong, you have lost everything.

            Repent while you can. I am praying for you. Wise men still seek Him.

            “He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.”
            Jim Elliott – Christian Missionary to Ecuador- 1937-1965

          • Fulcrum says:

            You assuming my life is MISERABLE and that I am LIVING IN SIN.


            FIrst – you’re not a good person because you believe you are better than anyone else. Including gay people.

            Second – Quote whoever in hell or heaven you want to – just cuz it’s a snappy saying doesn’t mean you are right. That can be applied to anything.

            Third – your arrogance at assuming people who do not believe as you do are: doomed, miserable, sinners, less than worthy of God’s love is just pathetic.

            If you had any intellectual knowledge that was based on anything truly objective you wouldn’t be spending your whole life in TOTAL AND COMPLETE FEAR. You are not being rewarded for being pure – you are just simply living your life in FEAR of your idea of God.

            God created the universe – and God – is not some fairy tale concept created by a men to control other men, all women and property.

            It is so funny that you are so righteous and clearly need to make others believe as you do. It’s your – wait for it – MISSION.

            I’m not worried for my soul. I’m not worried for yours. I just think you are weak and a bigot – and intellectually stunted.

            You are a puppet to a system that doesn’t care about you – they only care about how you behave.

            At the end of your life – I hope you will have experienced real happiness that wasn’t based in FEAR.

            At the end of my life – I will know that I truly loved with all my heart – never hurt another person, child or animal intentionally. And I will not be scared. I will be peaceful because while I was here – I lived a life of love. Not drugs, sex-fueled orgies and alcohol – just enjoyed my life and loved someone else and my kids with all my heart. I assure you – when it’s my time – I won’t regret that I followed my heart.

            I hope you find Heaven at the end of your journey – whatever heaven is — but for not a single second of my life do I believe that you would be there and I wouldn’t also be eligible.

            Not because of a book that says Shellfish is a sin.

            That is absolutely absurd. So is judging other peoples’ lives that do nothing to harm anyone else. FEAR FEAR FEAR.

            And ignorance.

            A LOT OF THAT.

          • Brian says:

            RE: Alex

            Ah, the arrogance!

            Alex, there are some terrorists in the world who believe, just as fervently as you believe in your dogma, that blowing up and killing innocent people is God’s work and will get them into heaven.

            Any belief system that judges and condemns others, seeks to harm or oppress others, or claims to have a “lock” on the truth, is highly suspect.

            Your assumption about Fulcrum’s living his life “in sin,” and referring to Fulcum’s life as “miserable,” tells me all I need to know about your mindset. You don’t even know the guy, but you’re very quick to judge.

            Fulcrum is right about some so-called Christians being very smug and self-satisfied. If your goal is to “save” the rest of us, you might think about whether the “smug” approach is the best way to attract converts.

        • Fulcrum says:

          And let’s not forget to point out — what is most important here…

          YOUR “RESPONSE” – doesn’t actually answer any of the questions that are posed here.

          And we know why – because when you can’t answer a question – you go to rhetoric – and just try to wash it all away with a good soundbite or quote.

          You’ve said nothing substantive here and until you actually answer these questions — why don’t you just refrain from quoting everyone else.


          I dare you.

          • John says:

            Fulcrum…marry me? ><

            I just hope your posts don't get deleted for the caps and swearing. Maybe you should save copies in case you need to post again with those removed – your points are too good to be deleted.

          • Fulcrum says:

            John – regarding the below — thank you for the compliment but I am happily taken. For the record – there was not a single clap of thunder or spark of lightening as I typed that.

            You know – I just read through all of my posts — because I genuinely don’t want them to be deleted. I noticed two things.

            1) – I never cursed at anyone – I just used the word to ‘color’ my point.

            2) My ALL CAPS – were really just to emphasize a point that I would have done VERBALLY with a change in tone or “air quotes” – Ha Ha

            3) – I think Craig really wants to promote genuine dialog so I don’t think he’ll be to thin-skinned for what is here. He seems like he’s up for the task of this dialogue – and I’m grateful for it. Even if we are destined to be on other sides of the point.

            Peace Out.

            And for all on here. I do respect our differences even I can never ever seriously agree with your opinions or experiences.

  47. Alex says:

    It is obviously true that Homosexuals can and do marry, it is even legal in some states.
    However, by the authority of God’s Word (not mine)Our Father and Creator, God, does indeed bless a Christian mariage. He does not, unfortunately, no matter how badly they want it, bless a homosexual marriage. Because He cannot bless any sinful activity.

    Whatever I say, I would be repeating so I refer you back to my previous posts. I strongly recommend that you go get a King James Bible. This Version has been modified only to upgrade the English language because people today can barely read Dick and Jane, let alone a 1611 version of the KJ Bible. Other versions, NIV, NKJB, RSV were rewritten using Greek manuscripts which were indeed corrupted by unbelievers, however, they all have the same dasic albeit waterd-down message) because people, today, are having a harder time understanding God’s word than they used.

    My Bible also tells of a “falling away” from the true gospel of Christ, near the end, just before he returns to judge all of us, dewad and alive and then turns off the lights everywhere except the Lake of Fire. It could me that this is the age we are in now. It is a fascinating read, not to be feared but to be believed and to bring peace and rejoicing.

    Also, to Brian and Fulcrum (is that your first or last name?) I ahve no hatred toward you whatsoever. I checked my Webster’s Dictionary for the word “hate” ot “hatred” and, there it was, a picture of you two. You are both so full of hatred toward Bible-believing Christians you should get a copy, read it and study it for a few months. That is the best book to bring peace and true happiness into your lives. Don’t knock it until you give it a try. Guaranteed.

    The path you are on now is self-destructive according to God’s Word and I think you know that. I am very concerned for both of you.

    I tell you this in love. Notice….no caps!

    I hope you can all find the kind of peace that only the God of the KJB can bring to you.

    • John says:

      Alex. Please try and understand. I have read the bible. The King James bibles, in fact. I was brought up with the bible. I don’t believe in the bible. As I don’t believe in it, no amount of quoting or posturing based solely on the bible will change my way of thinking. Your idea that some people’s failure to follow the arbitrary rules laid down by the bible is due to their lack of understanding of its contents is not only bizarre, it could be considered downright offensive.

      I am talking about real, practical life, in a world where decent people are being unfairly discriminated against because of the way they were born. This discrimination is largely fuelled by religion – in America, mostly the christian religion.

      Your accusations against Brian and Fulcrum are completely unfounded. Although Fulcrum makes his points in what could be considered a slightly inflammatory way, I don’t think he’s done anything hateful or unacceptable here. In fact his style of dialogue is less aggravating than the holier-than-thou approach adopted by some who post here, in my opinion.

      As for Brian, as I’ve said before, I find his comments to be calm and logical all the time, without resorting to such infantile attempted-witticisms as the old “I looked up ‘hate’ in a dictionary and there was a picture of you”. Funnily enough “I looked up ‘gay’ in the dictionary and it was a picture of you” was a popular one in my middle school.

      And if no caps are a sign of love, then please accept my loving message and even consider the points therein before simply recommending the bible again.

    • Brian says:

      Now Alex is resorting to calling me and Fulcrum “hateful.” Alex also referred to Fulcrum’s life as “miserable.” I’ll say it again: Alex seems very quick to judge people. Is this what a “good Christian” does?

      Given the tone of your comments, Alex, I have a hard time believing you are actually “very concerned” for me and Fulcrum, or that you send your message “in love.” Calling me hateful simply because I disagree with you is not very loving.

      I think you should save your faux concern and meditate on all the ways you are judging people about whom you know next-to-nothing.

  48. Dan says:

    If you’re a Christian, then you have to accept that you’re not allowed to judge anyone for doing anything. To do so is to take on Jesus’s job, which is the worst sin you can perpetrate. This is noted in the Bible right after the ONLY NT passage that may call homosexuality a sin, among an extremely long list of things. One major thing here: the first written, Christian texts would have been translated into Greek. At this time, they had no word, because they had no notion, for/of homosexuality because what we consider “bisexuality” was the norm. It was normal to have a wife for procreation and to have sex with young boys because that’s what you really enjoyed. Such was Roman society. But I digress: Romans 1 calls it a sin before saying the greater sin is to judge another person. Only the perfect are fit to judge others.

    BUT if you wanna use the OT, then you’re saying Jesus didn’t fulfill the OT scriptures and, therefore, that Christianity is a fraud. At best, you’re saying we must follow the OT laws. Therefore, blasphemy, talking back to parents, lying, etc etc etc, must all be punished by stoning the perpetrator to death.

    If Jesus was the messiah, no one can say anything bad about gays. If the OT is going to be used for one law — the prohibition against gay sex — it has to be used for all of them, and we’re going to need millions of stones and reduce the world population to about 100,000.

    • Paul says:

      John 7:24 Jesus said: “Stop judging by mere appearances, and make a right judgment.”
      Homosexual and heterosexual promiscuity is sin. We are told we should not join ourselves to the promiscuious (prostitutes). Jesus said to those who sinned sexually, “Go and sin no more.”

      Romans 1 and the demand to follow natural human design, ie: male and female is a universal command. We may judge using right judgement as our Lord commanded us.

      Sociological studies of Gay relationships by Gay men showed the massive rate of infidelity in Gay relationships compared to heterosexual relationships. Gay men who are monogomous are a rarity indeed. I have never met any monogomous couples after the first flush of their romance is over. Therefore I judge making a right judgement that practicing sexual homosexuals are sinning.

      • John says:

        Last time I used irony to make a point on here (admittedly not always the best way) I was misunderstood, but I’ll take the risk again.

        I have never met anyone called Paul that isn’t a complete tool. Every “Paul” I’ve met has been a promiscuous, lying, cheating, sinning, back-stabbing bastard. Therefore you must be too. See how well this style of argument holds?

        You’re also (irony over now) the first christian I’ve ever come into contact with who attempts to justify their judgement of others. I’m not one to pay much attention to the bible anyway, but since you and many others here do, and for the sake of healthy dialogue, could you point us to the specific passage of the bible where it’s stated that we “may judge using right judgement”?

      • Brian says:

        Paul writes: “homosexual and heterosexual promiscuity is a sin” and then goes on to judge ALL gays as promiscuous. He then justifies his personal judgment using Bible verse.

        If I were like Paul, I’d say ALL Christians are stereotyping, judgmental bigots. And then I’d cite Matthew 7:1: “judge not lest ye be judged.”

  49. Paul says:

    John 7: 24. Stop judging by mere appearances, and make a right judgment.”
    Jesus Christ gives a clear injunction to use ‘right judgement.’ I judge that breaking God’s express command cannot be made righteousness by any stretch of the imagination. We may sometimes become prodigal sons and daughter but then having the temerity to call it honouring our Father is a bold faced lie. Sometimes we may compromise and feel that is all we can do but to call it doing God’s will is to make things appear righteous when discernment and right judgement see otherwise.

    I have fallen into sin on too many occasions but I call it what it is, sin!

  50. John says:

    Sorry to make you quote the passage again – I genuinely missed it reading your earlier comment. Perhaps because it is 10 words in a book otherwise full of teachings that only god has the right to judge.

    That aside, do you honestly believe you are making “right judgement?”
    You are making a sweeping generalisation about all gay people based on your own personal experience, and basing your judgement on that generalisation. A world view based entirely on one’s personal experience and ignoring the bigger picture is a very self-centered one indeed. And you know what god thinks about self-centered people.

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