In this full-length (17 minute) interview, Paul Young talks candidly about his childhood abuse, cheating on his wife, thoughts of suicide and the lies and facades that have plagued his past. He also talks about forgiveness, shame and how his story has been influential within the prison system.

Paul Young, author of the bestselling book The Shack, is not interested in the works-based god presented in religion. He says “Jesus didn’t come to set up another religion. He came to open up a relationship, and relationship is always a violation of religion.”